Originally posted by ares834
I'd like to see it. Depending on the context, he could just as easily be talking all those who died to fuel Vitiate's return rather than Vitiate personny killing them.
Originally posted by Stigma
Besides, Vader collapsed a cathedral well before his prime and Starkiller practically atomized a frigate. All without a nexus amp.
Starkiller didn't atomize a frigate. He blew apart a portion of it, the rest had disintegrated earlier during the descend towards the surface of the planet.
Your knowledge of stuff is really limited. Become my apprentice and I will teach you well.
Originally posted by Stigma
Not at all. Nexuses grant additional power, power unavailable for Vitiate here.
Originally posted by Stigma
Yoda can do as much, easily.
Originally posted by Stigma
Yoda can speedblizt Vitiate, or one-shot him with TK.
Originally posted by Stigma
In sabers it's a pure bloodbath with Vitiate hugging a saber with his rectum.
I see that the old principle of “keep it clear and concise” might not ring a bell with you. 😛 Your [SWL] utter nonsense [/SWL] makes me type more than a few sentences and I am prone to be extremely lazy….
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Vader did collapse a Cathedral but risked his life in doing so, ending up mortally wounded and unconscious after the effort. In comparison, Darth Malgus prevented debris of buildings from crushing him beneath in his worst day.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Starkiller didn't atomize a frigate. He blew apart a portion of it, the rest had disintegrated earlier during the descend towards the surface of the planet.
In a nutshell, Vader’s and SK”s feats eclipse that of non-amped and non-prepped Vitiate.
Accept it and move on.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nexus don't make a significant difference. Emperor soundly defeated some of the finest Jedi of the Order on a Space Station, he doesn't needs a nexus to be potent, he is naturally supremely powerful in the ways of the Force.
Nexuses are immense concentrations of force energy. Once a force-user uses the force, he draws on this energy (the Force). Nexuses are like pools that have more force energy available and concentrated in a given space, thus when a force-user draws on the force, s/he gets more energy. Hence s/he gets more power.
A while ago there was a debate on nexuses here and an excerpt from Dark Rendezvous was presented that pretty conclusively supports this definition.
A padawan otherwise almost completely hopeless in the force was using the force easily just by virtue of being on Vjun—a nexus. This is a rather significant power boost.
Again, the point is that a feat performed on a nexus cannot be said to be replicated elsewhere.
Somehow I sense you won’t be open to accept that. If this is so, I am not interested in debating this point with you.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Prove it.
FORCE:
-Trading force blows with the most powerful Sith lord on equal terms. The same Sith lord who, with a gesture, casually force-dominates beings that can hurl spaceships and collapse caves.
>>>
- Defeating strike team with 2 featless members and two somewhat powerful ones.
Note: OP really made this a one-sided in the force in favor of Yoda. Vitiate lacks any proper feats off nexus. On nexus it would be much a closer fight imho.
SPEED:
-Going to-to-toe with Sidious speed-wise,
-Evading with ease and while unarmed attacks of three Jedi Masters (Depa, Fisto, Koon IIRC)--a feat that is easily up there with Sidious speed blitzing B-team.
>>>
-Vitiate’s combat speed (recall that Meetra’s saber throw might have easily killed him.)
SABERS:
As you said Yoda has an advantage here. But this is a bit of an understatement. Yoda curbstomps when it comes to sabers.
Done. 🙂 And Vitiate is done too.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
Well, I figured if Sidious could force Yoda to retreat, Vitiate should have the same opportunity to stand where Sidious stood and see if he can make Yoda do the same.
Originally posted by Stigma
I see that the old principle of “keep it clear and concise” might not ring a bell with you. 😛 Your [SWL] utter nonsense [/SWL] makes me type more than a few sentences and I am prone to be extremely lazy….
Originally posted by Stigma
Duh, no surprise Vader was trapped under rubble. He was inside the frikking cathedral that he collapsed.
I see you also did not get the other point. It was not only about Vader’s power, but also about the fact that this was way before his prime in RotJ.
And do I need to remind you that Emperor Vitiate is stronger then Darth Malgus?
Originally posted by Stigma
The point is Starkiller obliterated a frigate on his own power (or was it a half? I can’t be bothered to check).
Either way, this is a spectacular TK feat. Ah, and don’t forget he also shielded himself from the effects of entering the atmosphere.
Also, Starkiller was inside the starship, he didn't had to shield himself from the effects of entering atmosphere. The starship took the brunt of the effects.
Originally posted by Stigma
In a nutshell, Vader’s and SK”s feats eclipse that of non-amped and non-prepped Vitiate.Accept it and move on.
Originally posted by Stigma
The point is that nexuses do make a difference..Nexuses are immense concentrations of force energy. Once a force-user uses the force, he draws on this energy (the Force). Nexuses are like pools that have more force energy available and concentrated in a given space, thus when a force-user draws on the force, s/he gets more energy. Hence s/he gets more power.
a) Count Dooku vs. Yoda, on Vjun
b) Darth Malgus vs. many Jedi, inside the Jedi Temple on Coruscant
Originally posted by Stigma
A while ago there was a debate on nexuses here and an excerpt from Dark Rendezvous was presented that pretty conclusively supports this definition.
A padawan otherwise almost completely hopeless in the force was using the force easily just by virtue of being on Vjun—a nexus. This is a rather significant power boost.
Originally posted by Stigma
Again, the point is that a feat performed on a nexus cannot be said to be replicated elsewhere.
You may use the analogy of Darth Zannah to support this argument but this example is unique.
Originally posted by Stigma
Somehow I sense you won’t be open to accept that. If this is so, I am not interested in debating this point with you.
Originally posted by Stigma
Um, okey…FORCE:
-Trading force blows with the most powerful Sith lord on equal terms. The same Sith lord who, with a gesture, casually force-dominates beings that can hurl spaceships and collapse caves.
>>>
- Defeating strike team with 2 featless members and two somewhat powerful ones.
Note: OP really made this a one-sided in the force in favor of Yoda. Vitiate lacks any proper feats off nexus. On nexus it would be much a closer fight imho.
I am well aware of Yoda's history, you don't need to remind me of his actions. It doesn't takes Yoda to exchange blows with Sidious or challenge him with powers. Mace Windu and Mother Talzin say hello.
In addition, Yoda accomplished nothing against Sidious. The former fled like a coward though. In-fact, if it weren't for arrogance of Sidious, Yoda would have ended up dead.
Furthermore, your attempt to discredit the Jedi whom Emperor defeated on a space station is lame and futile. Unfortunately for you, these Jedi are confirmed to be among the strongest the Order have ever produced. This information is more then enough to convey the quality of the Jedi Strike Team. Tackling multiple powerful Force-users simultaneously is an unprecedented challenge for any being in Star Wars; Emperor is strong enough to pull this off and such level of strength is rarely matched.
Here is an advice: before you formulate an argument, make sure it have substance in it to strengthen your position. So far, your arguments are weak and poorly conveyed.
Originally posted by Stigma
SPEED:-Going to-to-toe with Sidious speed-wise,
-Evading with ease and while unarmed attacks of three Jedi Masters (Depa, Fisto, Koon IIRC)--a feat that is easily up there with Sidious speed blitzing B-team.>>>
-Vitiate’s combat speed (recall that Meetra’s saber throw might have easily killed him.)
The entire duel between Revan and Emperor Vitiate lasted some seconds. Do the math.
Emperor's vulnerability to lightsaber throw attack from Meetra is not a product of his lack in speed, rather he wasn't aware of this action because he was focused on Revan during this time.
Originally posted by Stigma
SABERS:As you said Yoda has an advantage here. But this is a bit of an understatement. Yoda curbstomps when it comes to sabers.
Originally posted by Stigma
Done. 🙂 And Vitiate is done too.
Yoda is the second most powerful light sider of all time, bar none.
Don't underestimate the green old man, he could have held off SIDIOUS in a stalemate for a very very long time in more even ground. Never beat him of course but definitely stalemate him.
Vitiate will always be secondary among the Sith to Sidious and that is certainly enough for me.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Yoda wins, simple matter of exposure, Yoda has countless top tier feats, same can't be said for Vitiate.It's a very very close fight but Yoda is the most powerful warrior of the light ever seen till the Order is purged.
Yoda have failed to live up to the hype he gets from some authors.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Yoda is the second most powerful light sider of all time, bar none.Don't underestimate the green old man, he could have held off SIDIOUS in a stalemate for a very very long time in more even ground. Never beat him of course but definitely stalemate him.
Vitiate will always be secondary among the Sith to Sidious and that is certainly enough for me.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Sidious is the most powerful Sith ever, so canon it may as well be in the Chuck Norris book of facts.Everything Vitiate can do, Sidious can do better and without any amps/rituals whilst he's at it.
Absolutely wrong.
Also, this thread is about Yoda and he lost to Sidious.