If we use XYZ logic, no one is even close to 100. Guys like Thing have been shown in the same league - if only for brief periods - with legit high heralds in strength alone. It's a big reason handbooks are such shite.
But if we're ignoring such faulty reasoning, I'll throw in Death's Head II. He's got a good showing against the Hulk, among a few others, but didn't do enough to really put him too much higher than low-end Class 100. His chief advantages lie elsewhere.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Sasquatches feats at the very least match those.
Give examples and scans. I've done this over multiple threads (and abhi's even supplemented the ones I couldn't find).
If you believe lifting a 250ton plane or a battleship is as good a feat as supporting en entire god damn island, I don't know what to say to you.
Originally posted by zopzopHe didn't just lift the plane he threw it 1000ft......against the thrusters. And somebody stated that they thought only the Hulk was capable of such things.
Proof? The items I've listed as things Namor has lifted sh|t on the items you listed for Sasquatch.Give examples and scans. I've done this over multiple threads (and abhi's even supplemented the ones I couldn't find).
If you believe lifting a 250ton plane or a battleship is as good a feat as supporting en entire god damn island, I don't know what to say to you.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
When was this? Can't say I saw that. Why do you get an attitude when somebody disagrees? Chillax son.Sasquatches feats at the very least match those.
Will get the scan for you but I think this is even better. Wolverine claws, Doctor Strange Magic and Storms lightning bolt combined couldn't break through the ice prison, but guess what Colossus does.
Originally posted by carver9Ok thanks. But I've never heard of that feat you mentioned involving the SHIELD ship.
Will get the scan for you but I think this is even better. Wolverine claws, Doctor Strange Magic and Storms lightning bolt combined couldn't break through the ice prison, but guess what Colossus does.
Originally posted by carver9
No he is not and another thing, Namor and Wonderman isn't close to being in the tier you are trying to place them in either. I disagree entirely with your opinion. You might want to look at the time Osborn absorbed his power or his last fight against Thor. The list goes on and on and on. He's an elite physically.
Red Hulk without absorption cosmic power is not impressive. He was defeated by Angrir (with ease) and Wonderman.
I think Namor/Wonderman/Red Hulk are in a tier below heralds, and ahead Colossus/Thing.
That is why i said " if Colossus/Thing" are too weak to this, then Red Hulk.
I think Grey Hulk destroying the asteroid is a big outlier.
Actually not in this debate (don't actually care), but saw Sasquatch mentioned a few times and I'm the only one that reps him it seems....here's some scans..
Originally posted by -K-M-
[b]Sasquatch I
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Alpha Flight #1 (Vol.1):
Sasquatch attacks the Elder God, Tundra who is a Great Beast himself. He rips off huge sections of the earthy manifestation. Just to note this wasn’t the real Tundra revealed in AF #24, but an Earthly avatar1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight01-30.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight01-31.jpg
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Alpha Flight #10 (Vol.1):
Super Skrull who is stronger then Thing even admits, "and realized with bone-chilling certainty that his full strength (Super Skrull) may not be sufficient" after he hit Sasquatch was his strongest blow.1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10d.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10e.jpgSuper Skrull is Class 100
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/betterabilities2hc2_zpsbd702f10.jpg
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Alpha Flight #5 (Vol.3):
Pissed off Sasquatch brings down the house....literally. Sasquatch lets out a blow in the Plodex ship that brings all the realities together. Some members came from the arctic, some Montreal, etc. He punched a hole in the trans-displacement dimension to bring them all together1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AlphaFlight0423.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AF5_03.jpg
3. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AF5_04.jpg
4. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AF5_0405.jpg
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Hulk Annual #8:
This should impress people. Here Sasquatch pulls and lifts a destroyer nany ship (British destroyers (of recent times) have an average displacement of around 5,000 tonnes or higher) and then pushes it out again1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_11.jpg
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Hulk Annual #8
Here it states he has "second strongest legs on the face of the Earth”1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_30.jpg
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Machine Man #18:
Sasquatch possesses "almost limitless strength"1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/MM18-07.jpg
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Marvel Team-Up Annual #7:
Sasquatch catches a Boxer an Inter-dimensional traps from the Vegan timeline that Collector thought to be impossible1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/MarvelTeam-UpAnnual7-15.jpg
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Marvel Two-In-One #83 (Vol.1):
Thing admitted, "Sheesh! Your bigger, stronger, talk better than me and played proball! There must be something I can beat you at!", Sasquatch replies, "I doubt it".1. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/72652_vgrim3.jpg
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Marvel Two-In-One #84 (Vol.1):
Ranark mentions Sasquatch is stronger then Thing1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_19.jpg
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Marvel Two-In-One #84 (Vol.1):
Against the would be god, Ranark the Ravanger. He creates an earthquake that topples a 6 story apartment which Sasquatch catches in mid-air1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_11.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_12.jpg
3. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_13.jpg
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Uncanny X-Men #120 (Vol.1):
In his first appearance he threw a 250 ton DC-10 1000 feet in reverse, crashing into a building even while the engines were still. The engines were stated to produce 150,000 pounds of thrust.1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Sasplane1.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men120b.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/ClassicX-Men26-12.jpg
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Alpha Flight #1 (Vol.4):
Here Sasquatch stops and catches a rather large boat that was being thrown at a building by a huge tidal wave1. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/alpha1_0006copy.jpg
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Hulk #54 (Vol.1):
Sasquatch is so strong and so powerful even the Mayan Gods were impressed with him. He was so strong, his power alone was able to bring back two Mayan Gods, where in comparison both the She Hulks (Jenn and Lyra) could only bring back one each showing Walter was more powerful.Sasquatch > Both She Hulk’s (combined)
1. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/Hulk54_19.jpg
2. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/Hulk54_20.jpg
3. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/Hulk54_21.jpg
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Rulk, A-Bomb, Machine Man and Alpha Flight
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Hulk #53-54: [Vol.1]
Here the Mayan Gods take control of Walter’s mind as at the time his Walter persona was gone and he was more a beast then anything making him easy to take over. Anyways he takes them all on, and even A-bomb and Snowbird with all their strength couldn’t stop Walter from dragging them into the pyramid1. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/Hulk_31_TheGroup_016.jpg
2. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/Hulk_31_TheGroup_017.jpg
3. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/Hulk_31_TheGroup_018.jpg
4. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/Hulk_31_TheGroup_019.jpg
5. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/Hulk_31_TheGroup_020.jpg
6. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/Hulk_31_TheGroup_021.jpg
7. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/Hulk54.jpg [/B]
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Red Hulk without absorption cosmic power is not impressive. He was defeated by Angrir (with ease) and Wonderman.I think Namor/Wonderman/Red Hulk are in a tier below heralds, and ahead Colossus/Thing.
That is why i said " if Colossus/Thing" are too weak to this, then Red Hulk.
I think Grey Hulk destroying the asteroid is a big outlier.
Combat ability is often great to have in a fight, it just doesn't show how much the character can lift. I think Ikaris should be on this list as one of those barely making the Class 100 characters.
Originally posted by riv6672I thought he was bumped up to actually being stated as Class 100 in a comic.
For the record, Class 100 is the ability to lify 100 tons. I saw the posts on page1 dealing with definition.
5, 10, 50, 85, 100. The Thing was mentioned in the first response. I've always believed he was Class 85. Can lift 85 tons.
Originally posted by riv6672
For the record, Class 100 is the ability to lify 100 tons. I saw the posts on page1 dealing with definition.
5, 10, 50, 85, 100. The Thing was mentioned in the first response. I've always believed he was Class 85. Can lift 85 tons.
You differentiate between class 100 and class 100+
Lifting 100 tons and lifting evertyhing in excess of 100 tons.
Hyperion, Hulk, Thor, etc are 100+ not 100
