Originally posted by SamZED
She-Name is even more offensive, no? At least Whor is its own name rather than an extension of somebody else's.
Or, we call her Thor.
The Thor as depicted by Hemsworth, with the beard and the missing arm, is now running around being called 'Odinson'.
Can't we just do that? So not She-Thor, or Shor, or Whor....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or, we call her Thor.The Thor as depicted by Hemsworth, with the beard and the missing arm, is now running around being called 'Odinson'.
Can't we just do that? So not She-Thor, or Shor, or Whor....
Also by extension the character is worthy of no respect since she came about through the utter ****ing of one of marvels best headliners. I shall not support that decision
Originally posted by Stoic
I think the idea of a female Thor is pretty good. I just dislike the idea that anyone that picks up the hammer has to be dressed similar to the original Thor. The way that they look should reflect their soul. Angela has nothing to do with Thor other than being his sister. They can go any direction with the character. Angela is an original concept that was not taken from any character from Marvel. I dislike the idea that they made her an Asgardian (no offense to anyone). They could have gone in a different direction. She could have been Dormammu's nemesis, and it probably would have be received better by most readers.As it is, Angela should go back to her roots, and stick with the GOTG.
Dormammu's nemesis? Something along those lines wouldn't have been a bad idea. I really hate the whole Angela Asgardian thing.
Anyway, with Mjolnir back Whor/She-Thor whatever wins.
Originally posted by basilisk
Dormammu's nemesis? Something along those lines wouldn't have been a bad idea. I really hate the whole Angela Asgardian thing.Anyway, with Mjolnir back Whor/She-Thor whatever wins.
The hammer does not equal win. Battle experience does. This new Thor does not have any kind of prolonged combat training, and written properly should get her behind beaten, and schooled in the art of war by a proven warrior. You don't just outfight Gamora by luck. This isn't Bat Woman that we are talking about here. Angela possesses a good deal of super human stats. If Thor missed, which is likely, she would be open to losing her head.
the good news is that to pump her up, Marvel's given Thor's best strength showing in years, maybe ever. Even with her "Thor-power" fading, she crushed and bent adamantium to pry open doors that are essentially gigantic versions of cap's shield. doors with her bare hands. With mjolnir in hand she blew the doors, built to be unbreakable, right off their hinges.
Originally posted by Stoic
The hammer does not equal win. Battle experience does. This new Thor does not have any kind of prolonged combat training, and written properly should get her behind beaten, and schooled in the art of war by a proven warrior. You don't just outfight Gamora by luck. This isn't Bat Woman that we are talking about here. Angela possesses a good deal of super human stats. If Thor missed, which is likely, she would be open to losing her head.
Agreed regarding battle experience. But I just have a feeling that they will put She-Thor's showings quite high for the time being because she has just been introduced. I really don't expect Thor to win any upcoming fight with her.
Originally posted by Stoic
The hammer does not equal win. Battle experience does. This new Thor does not have any kind of prolonged combat training, and written properly should get her behind beaten, and schooled in the art of war by a proven warrior. You don't just outfight Gamora by luck. This isn't Bat Woman that we are talking about here. Angela possesses a good deal of super human stats. If Thor missed, which is likely, she would be open to losing her head.
Meh, her Mjolnir seems to take over and give her the experience needed.
Originally posted by basilisk
Well, with hammer back I just mean at full power, since she was without the hammer for a bit.Agreed regarding battle experience. But I just have a feeling that they will put She-Thor's showings quite high for the time being because she has just been introduced. I really don't expect Thor to win any upcoming fight with her.
It's obvious she's getting the "introduction" treatment.
Gamora ran through heroes, and made them look like they were first rank amateurs, she bull dogged Ronan into the ground, and nearly had him fighting for his life before she dropped him. Thanos has proven that he has the reflex speed to stop the attempted bull rush of the Fallen One, an ex herald of Galactus, but was incapable of laying a finger on Gamora. She nearly beat the hell out of Maxim, but when she went up against Angela, she IMO was on the losing end of the exchange.
This female Thor does not have any kind of battle experience, and if she does defeat the original Thor with his own hammer it does not mean that she would beat Angela. Thor is a good fighter, but he is more of a brawler than Angela, who employed agility, skill, and hard experience in her battle showings. Angela written properly would school a character that going by history is nothing without the power of Thor. Power does not mean that you are going to win a battle against a skilled opponent. Who was this female Thor before she picked up the hammer? A UPS/Fedex worker? School Teacher? Secretary? You guys get what I'm saying?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A SHIELD agent.
Does this mean that if you gave her class 75 strength or slightly better that she would be able to contend with Gamora? If Ms Marvel (Captain Marvel) fought Gamora it woul be one sided. Gamora would assess her abilities on the fly, get in close and drop her. It's awesome when a character has pure skill, but when they have pure skill and super human stats, they become monsters. Angela is monstrous for her weight class. I wouldn't expect more than Angela being hit by more than glancing blows if at all against the female Thor. No one can deny Gamora's fighting skills. She put heroes down with nerve strikes while using a minimum of her skills. Again Angela had her beat.
Originally posted by Stoic
Does this mean that if you gave her class 75 strength or slightly better that she would be able to contend with Gamora? If Ms Marvel (Captain Marvel) fought Gamora it woul be one sided. Gamora would assess her abilities on the fly, get in close and drop her. It's awesome when a character has pure skill, but when they have pure skill and super human stats, they become monsters. Angela is monstrous for her weight class. I wouldn't expect more than Angela being hit by more than glancing blows if at all against the female Thor. No one can deny Gamora's fighting skills. She put heroes down with nerve strikes while using a minimum of her skills. Again Angela had her beat.
When Thor was serious he absolutely stomped her, even after constant torture.
Originally posted by krisblaze
You're attributing Angela with so much nonsense that she's never proven to be capable of.When Thor was serious he absolutely stomped her, even after constant torture.
The original Thor has extensive combat experience. This new Thor does not. Angela fought Gamora up close, and over matched her. The only nonsense I detect here is giving an unseasoned average Shield agent the win over an ancient warrior, or pretending that it would be close. Context states that Angela wasn't just an average warrior among a warrior race, but that she was the best of them. Her battle with Gamora shows this.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Well the hammer was on the moon and the person who grabbed it didn't exactly have a protective suit so I'd be surprised if she was a regular human. We shall see though
Wasn't it the area of the Moon that was close to where the Inhumans lived? I thought that there were certain parts of the Marvel Moon of canon that could sustain human life? The Blue area or something to that extent. It couldn't have been far, because I also thought that Uatu's base was close to where the Inhumans lived.