Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The ASM franchise did correct certain things in Ramai's version that were not faithful to the source material.That's why I loved ASM1 despite it retelling the Origin story just 10 years later.
However sticking to source material or not, I can't appreciate a bad film. And tbh as a film TASM2 isn't a massive improvement on S3.
That's why I just don't care about the next solo film, and want Marvel to take over the franchise. If they share the rights with Sony like 50/50 or even 60/40, that could work too. Do anything, just let Marvel sort out their Original Poster Boy.
I agree that ASM 2 had flaws but none of them had to do with Spider-Man himself. Hence why I say it was the best adaptation thus far.
My biggest gripes are that Harry's transformation felt rushed and that some of the things we need to see in a Spidey film were left out simply because they wanted to distance themselves from the Raimi versions.
But I still liked it better than DOFP.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
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Sorry man but there were too many plot-holes for me to ignore, X-Men merely used as cannon fodder with zero character development so their deaths were meaningless, Magneto as the Big Bad AGAIN, Xavier vs Magneto philosophical debate AGAIN, etc.
I'm still waiting on a X-Men film that feels like an actual team movie and for them to focus on something other than mutant persecution.
Originally posted by 80sBaby
Sorry man but there were too many plot-holes for me to ignore, X-Men merely used as cannon fodder with zero character development so their deaths were meaningless, Magneto as the Big Bad AGAIN, Xavier vs Magneto philosophical debate AGAIN, etc.I'm still waiting on a X-Men film that feels like an actual team movie and for them to focus on something other than mutant persecution.
DoFP was as much of a team movie as it possibly could've been: didn't focus too much on wolverine and everyone got their shining moment.
Get ur dumbass complaints outta here
Originally posted by Firefly218
Magneto was NOT the big bad, he was the antihero. Everything "evil" magneto was doing was to prevent the ****ing apocalypse from happening.DoFP was as much of a team movie as it possibly could've been: didn't focus too much on wolverine and everyone got their shining moment.
Get ur dumbass complaints outta here
His attempt to kill the President and everyone in attendance had nothing to do with averting the apocalypse. It was about revenge/mutant supremacy. He was the one they all had to work to defeat in the end so, yes, he was the Big Bad.
And, no, it could have been a much better team movie. There was zero character development for any of the future X-Men. Beast, Xavier and Logan were the only real X-Men in the past, which isn't much of a team.
It was a much worse team film than either GOTG or Avengers.
And learn to spell "your" prior to calling someone a "dumbass"
First off, he was only about to kill the President, his cabinet and Bolivar Trask, not everyone in attendance. The reason Magneto was going to kill the President and his staff and Trask was because they were responsible for funding and creating the Sentinels.
The great thing about Magneto is that he isn't good or bad, he's in the grey area. He does whatever he needs to do to protect his people.
The team was fine, they had great chemistry and they advanced the narrative. Stupid complaint.
Secondly, the fact that I misspelled doesn't mean that I don't know how to spell. I'm very capable of spelling "your", but felt "ur" was more convenient and got the meaning across. Also, I never called you a dumbass. I called your complaints dumbass, which they are.
Originally posted by Firefly218
First off, he was only about to kill the President, his cabinet and Bolivar Trask, not everyone in attendance. The reason Magneto was going to kill the President and his staff and Trask was because they were responsible for funding and creating the Sentinels.
Dropping a stadium on the White House lawn is very surgical. More than just the President was in danger there. And my point still stands as Magneto's actions wouldn't have prevented anything. In fact, he would've only exacerbated the situation.
The great thing about Magneto is that he isn't good or bad, he's in the grey area. He does whatever he needs to do to protect his people.
And, no, Magneto IS a villain. His motives may be understandable but he's definitely a racist, murdering terrorist.
The team was fine, they had great chemistry and they advanced the narrative. Stupid complaint.
Very poor counterargument.
Secondly, the fact that I misspelled doesn't mean that I don't know how to spell. I'm very capable of spelling "your", but felt "ur" was more convenient and got the meaning across. Also, I never called you a dumbass. I called your complaints dumbass, which they are.
Well, no but it does make your comment ironic and makes your statement sound pretty stupid.
Fact is, Magneto was trying to target the President, cabinet and Trask specifically. That's why he had them trapped in that chamber, so he could kill them. The reason he hijacked those early sentinel robots was to defend himself from the XMen, who were trying to stop him. Magneto was taking drastic measures to eliminate people who were against mutants and would eventually cause the apocalypse. From this angle, the XMen could be seen as the villains.
Magneto, in this movie, cannot be called a racist. The government was actively creating technology to destroy mutants. If anything, Magneto was acting in self-defense for himself and his entire race.
There was plenty of character development. Xavier began as a depressed druggie without any hope, the movie was the story of him regaining his hope.
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Originally posted by Firefly218
Fact is, Magneto was trying to target the President, cabinet and Trask specifically. That's why he had them trapped in that chamber, so he could kill them. The reason he hijacked those early sentinel robots was to defend himself from the XMen, who were trying to stop him. Magneto was taking drastic measures to eliminate people who were against mutants and would eventually cause the apocalypse. From this angle, the XMen could be seen as the villains.
From a "certain point of view" or angle, the jedi are evil.
And killing the President, Trask and the cabinet wouldn't prevent an apocalypse, which was your initial argument.
Magneto, in this movie, cannot be called a racist. The government was actively creating technology to destroy mutants. If anything, Magneto was acting in self-defense for himself and his entire race.
So then not a racist but still a murdering terrorist? Good. Still a villain. The ends don't justify the means. That's villain talk.
There was plenty of character development. Xavier began as a depressed druggie without any hope, the movie was the story of him regaining his hope.
Considering I specifically mentioned the lack of development for the future X-men, I'm not sure why you think brining up Xavier is some sort of point?
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Well that rebuttal was certainly well thought out.
Magneto was an anti-hero in FC but was definitely a Villain for in DOFP. Attempted murder of Mystique and Wolverine was Evil. Doing for the greater good is a reason used by many villains.
That being said Xavier's character development(even the self development lessons from Old X to Young X-he was a real Yoda in the making), the story, the acting and the amazing action(Quicksilver anyone!) made DOFP easily one of the best action movies of the year.
Quicksilver's scene was very cool. But the rest were muted due to me not really caring about those involved. Also, his exit was somewhat nonsensical.
I also think Mcavoy and Fassbender were good, as per usual, but 2 good performances do not, necessarily, a great film make imo. I know a lot of people loved this movie but I wasn't one of them.
Now, back to the actual topic at hand: Spider-Man.
Originally posted by 80sBaby
From a "certain point of view" or angle, the jedi are evil.And killing the President, Trask and the cabinet wouldn't prevent an apocalypse, which was your initial argument.
And just how the hell do you know that killing the President, Trask and the cabinet wouldn't have been enough to prevent the apocalypse? Anyhow, Magneto was trying to prevent the apocalypse, and therefore, had good intentions. Don't villains generally have bad intentions?
Originally posted by 80sBaby
So then not a racist but still a murdering terrorist? Good. Still a villain. The ends don't justify the means. That's villain talk.
Ok, so you concede that Magneto was no racist. Killing in self-defense is not murder.
How exactly was Magneto acting as a terrorist? Isn't a terrorist's goal to cause terror? Because if I have the definition correct, Magneto was the exact opposite of a terrorist. Magneto was trying to prevent the terror of an apocalypse and the extermination of his people.
The ends don't justify the means??? So killing a small group of racist/corrupt individuals to save the lives of billions of innocents is evil? Lay off the crack...
Originally posted by 80sBaby
Considering I specifically mentioned the lack of development for the future X-men, I'm not sure why you think brining up Xavier is some sort of point?
Originally posted by 80sBaby
Well that rebuttal was certainly well thought out.
Some more of those Sony leaks
Spider-Ham Among The Characters Sony Can't Use In Future SPIDER-MAN Movies
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=112524
seems to be alot of the C-grade characters.
Originally posted by Firefly218
The great thing about Magneto is that he isn't good or bad, he's in the grey area. He does whatever he needs to do to protect his people.
Magneto is a genocidal maniac. He is evil. Sure, in his warped sense of right and wrong what he is doing is "good", but in the end he is every bit as terrible as the humans he is fighting against. Still a great villain and one of my favorites.
Originally posted by ares834
Magneto is a genocidal maniac. He is evil. Sure, in his warped sense of right and wrong what he is doing is "good", but in the end he is every bit as terrible as the humans he is fighting against. Still a great villain and one of my favorites.
All true. Although he should have some redeemable element left in him Imho. Heck in the comics he's joined and even lead the X-Men more than once.
The only hint I saw of him being redeemable in DOFP was when Old Mags is dying.