Kit Fisto vs. Old Ben Kenobi

AotC Kenobi was still fairly early in his career and still had some way to go before he reached his peak.

Kit was already a Council Master at that point. He had already hit his peak and was about as good as he would ever get. By RotS, Kenoi had surpassed him by quite a bit.

Ben's skills clearly haven't diminished THAT much, seeing as he was able to hold off Vader.

By that point Vader was far more skilled than in his Jedi days due to greater experience and level-headedness. He was slower and less mobile true (which is why he had trouble with the Maul clone), but his technical skill was better than ever.

Nah, I'd still put Ben higher in skill level. Plus Kit's technique isn't enough to breach Ben's defence while his recklessness leaves him open to counters.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Besides the fact that he's defeated numerous Jedi in lightsabre duels?

I know, and none of them was considerably good combatants, or you can correct me if I am wrong, because I don't remember any good duelist that Vader ever defeated. Mostly he beats his opponent because of his durability / armor and TK.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lucas said it's a "harder" fight for them because they're older. But he never commented on if it's a worse performance by them now.

And I'm pretty sure that was before he had Dooku coming along being like almost 30 years older than Old Ben but as Powerful, Energetic and Skilled Swordsman as they come. Count Dooku kinda revamps the idea that Old Ben isn't good because he's old. Heck Old Ben is only 3 years older than ROTS Windu.

I'm not so sure. Lucas stated/confirmed, that Ben and Vader are inferior to Obi-Wan and Anakin as a duelists.

And yeah, that was before AotC. But after TPM, when we can see 60 years old Jinn, who is far from being "an old man". Lucas ****ed SW's timeline in the PT.

Originally posted by McP
I'm not so sure. Lucas stated/confirmed, that Ben and Vader are inferior to Obi-Wan and Anakin as a duelists.

And yeah, that was before AotC. But after TPM, when we can see 60 years old Jinn, who is far from being "an old man". Lucas ****ed SW's timeline in the PT.

Well Jinn was supposed to be past his prime (according to the novel at least), but yeah clearly was still capable.

Looking at ROTS Windu clearly being at his Prime, Qui-Gon being past his prime and ROTS Kenobi clearly not being the most learned in TK yet, I'd guess on average 50ish should be the Prime of the Jedi.

I guess Dooku just hanged on to very close to his prime a lot longer than most. And Yoda/Sidious were just the Ultimate masters of the Force, so weren't effected by age too much.

Either way Old Ben being "too old" just sounds ridiculous now, and makes little/no sense.

Originally posted by ILS
Besides the point. Look at the improvement Kenobi showed during three years heading into ROTS. He would have improved at at least a similar rate over the course of a decade after TPM, where he was already quite close to Qui-Gon Jinn.

Well he's bound to improve more during a war. Otherwise by applying that rate of improvement at any time regardless Old Ben should have been whooping everyone's butt.

We can't just assume a massive improvement over time, or apply an exact formula for it. That's why we take feats and accolades over "assumed" improvements.