Savage Opress runs a saber gauntlet

Started by DarthAnt666 pages

Pretty much. 👆

Sunday night is my favourite time to debate. Or when I'm on the toilet.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Their thinking is that Savage is a brutish thug while Revan is a tactical genius with excellent precog.
Key words being "their thinking".

Originally posted by Nephthys
Their thinking is that Savage is a brutish thug while Revan is a tactical genius with excellent precog.

I think his foresight is more tactical based than force based.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Their thinking is that Savage is a brutish thug while Revan is a tactical genius with excellent precog.

http://youtu.be/n7gR0dj9X6o?t=6s

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I think his foresight is more tactical based than force based.

Revan probably uses both the tactical and Force variant.

le sigh

Savage's combat methods are typically quite overt, I can agree, but to assert that his mind for combat is so basic that he'd be at an inherent disadvantage against Revan is lowballing IMO. He is tactically capable, but people are still in the lala land of Savage being nothing other than a moron waving a stick around.

If Echani are masters of Battle Precog, how does it work for the Force to be involved?

Originally posted by ILS
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It's not just Savage being brutish, so much as Revan being a genius.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If Echani are masters of Battle Precog, how does it work for the Force to be involved?

Hence why I said (and Wookieepedia agrees) there are different variants.
KotOR2TSLPG directly states Battle Precognition is also a Force power.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If Echani are masters of Battle Precog, how does it work for the Force to be involved?

Yeah, the entire description of the Echani foresight makes me think of Sherlock Holmes (Robert Downey Jr.) more than anything else.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And you disagree?
I believe Revan's precognitive abilities will aid him in combat, for sure, but then proficient telepaths like Plo Koon also have an inherent form of battle precog and that didn't stop Savage from beating him.

And I also believe Savage isn't as stupid as people make him out to be. The problem I believe is that people stack Savage up against the absolute best duelists they can think of and nip on about how badly Savage would be stomped or how unskilled he is in comparison to whoever they're comparing him to - but, no matter how outclassed he is by someone like, say, Dooku, that doesn't mean he's inherently an idiot with no mind for combat. You're just comparing him to the best person you can find instead of comparing him to who is in the thread at hand. It's like comparing GSP with Batman. Is GSP utterly outclassed by Batman as a combatant? Yes. Is he a brutish retard? Not really, relatively speaking. The same goes with Savage. Being able to pressure Kenobi, counter-strike Ventress, duel evenly with Plo Koon whilst being at a disadvantage and having the tactical awareness to take off his mask, are all showings to suggest he's a good fighter.

Regardless of whether it's in terms of sheer skill or overall fighting ability, I see Savage as having better dueling accomplishments than Revan.

Originally posted by ILS
Regardless of whether it's in terms of sheer skill or overall fighting ability, I see Savage as having better dueling accomplishments than Revan.

They aren't even comparable accomplishments wise: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/revans-lightsaber-abilities-overview/97613/

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's not just Savage being brutish, so much as Revan being a genius.
Kind of changed your answer here, but I think Revan's tactical genius is being exaggerated in this thread one way or the other.

Originally posted by ILS
but I think Revan's tactical genius is being exaggerated in this thread one way or the other.

You deny Revan is the greatest Force-sensitive tactician in the mythos?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
They aren't even comparable accomplishments wise: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/revans-lightsaber-abilities-overview/97613/
What in particular are you putting above the feats I've referenced for Savage? I've read the thread.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You deny Revan is the greatest Force-sensitive tactician in the mythos?
That is besides the point. I'm talking about Revan's tactical ability relative to this thread, not if he's the greatest in the mythos.

Originally posted by ILS
What in particular are you putting above the feats I've referenced for Savage? I've read the thread.

Revan's Star Forge feat infinitely places him above being slaughtered by Kenobi even with the aid of Maul.
Revan's victory over Mandalore and conquering of the Sith Academy are also among pivotal moments in history.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I think his foresight is more tactical based than force based.

Obviously. Every Jedi has force-based precognition of some degree.

👆 Just not Revan's degree. 😉

As far as I know, Revan doesn't have any actual standout feats with precognition. Really, Scourge's is much moreso.