I don't recall that incident off the top of my head, but she did casually drop a room of people which included Fantomex recently. It's impressive considering Fantomex's mask had a perfect record against telepaths(including Xavier, Jean, Shadow King,etc) if memory serves me. There was a nullifier field in the area too, so it's a pretty damn high feat all things considered.
Anyways, before the void swallows this thread, I'll go ahead and toss this out there. Psylocke still uses her telepathy offensively. I think her tp gets less shine in X-Men because....well because Brian Wood ermm. All of these were in the last few months of X-Force though. There's other examples, but I think it's safe to assume she is still capable of the ol' mind blast.
She's undergoing a powerset change true, but the change appears to be the return of her telekinesis. She's only doing basic stuff right now with it though, so I can't argue for it in a forum fight; however, it's definitely back.
Originally posted by krisblaze
I only ask that you remember the context surrounding the fights.Like Ronan and Stellaris, or Ronan and Gamora.
I don't need constant renderings of what you think would happen in the fight, or these gruellingly basic reminders of her powerset.
Captain Britain not the Blob. He has superhuman speed and reflexes. He's not as skilled as Gamora, nobody is, but that doesn't mean that she's somehow untouchable or that she'll endlessly dance around him. Especially not when this is actually a 2v2. Even in the highly unlikely scenario where CB could never touch her, Psylocke would still trounce her.
She wouldn't have to endlessly dance around Brian, she could one shot him. Carol actually beat him up this week, and it took about one panel to do it. She one paneled him. Psylocke could be a problem, but Brian certainly isn't.
Originally posted by Galan007
New Avengers (2/2):
Originally posted by krisblaze
Seriously guyGamora and Ronan were being mindcontrolled by Glorian. She was amped as phuck, and she didn't beat him.... You've probably not read the comic, just seen scans online.
It's old and outdated because it's not relevant to current CB.
Oh and i had the chance to go back and check out that amplification that you were talking about, and I couldn't find out what you were talking about?
I also don't understand exactly what you mean by she didn't beat him? You mean she didn't KO him, or kill him? If that's what you mean, you're right, but she did get the better of him in that fight.
Originally posted by krisblaze
She can def hurt him, but the mostly offpanel fight with CM is absolutely no indication of gamora being able to one-shot him.
She took out classic Rogue, and the She Hulk together. She one shot Kayoed the Thing. I think Brian would be one shot as well, based on his very recent showing against Carrol. She knocked him out in one panel. Gamora is vastly more skilled than Carol, while She Hulk is stronger than Carol. ABC logic may not work every time, but it does some of the time.
^It sure as shit does not work this time.
You're leaving out a couple of things here.
1) Captain Britain had been fighting the War Machines prior to that, and in fact killed more than both the Hulk and Black Panther 🙂
2) We could only see one/two panel of their fight.
3) Most important, he was up and standing rigth after she allegedly "defeated" him, as you can clearly see yourself when Invisible Woman traps them. In fact Britain got up faster than the Hulk did when Ms.Marvel beat on him 😐
So no, the ABC logic of "Gamora being more skilled than Carol and Carol beating Captain Britain meaning that Gamora will beat Captain Britain" does not apply here.
P.S Late post, I didn't get to read the comic until today.
Show me all of Brian's combat mastery, and why he would be viewed as anything more than a combat dummy by someone of Gamora's skill. We know that she can put a hurting on him with one strike. This isn't just some simple ABC logic, Gamora is far superior to Brian in terms of combat, and it's laughable for you to bring up the Hulk, and any other character that do not actually have her combat expertise. What stop her from doing the same thing to Brian as she did to She Hulk, and classic Rogue? Yes it happened long ago, but that does not take away from her skill, nor has it been somehow deemed non canon because of the time frame in which it occurred. There isn't one shred of proof to support her not beating him like a 1st class rank amateur. Show me his combat expertise.
You misunderstood everything.
I was pointing out his fight against the war machine in comparison to Hulk and Black Panther in relevance to his "loss" against Carol, not as a skill showing.
It's becoming painfully evident that you haven't read any Excalibur. Why don't you do yourself a favour and read some of the best stuff Claremont and Ellis wrote. As opposed to asking me to summarize 100 phucking comics for you. It's not that much to assume you at least know the bare basics about a character before you start debating them. You didn't even know he had super-speed!
Originally posted by krisblaze
You misunderstood everything.I was pointing out his fight against the war machine in comparison to Hulk and Black Panther in relevance to his "loss" against Carol, not as a skill showing.
It's becoming painfully evident that you haven't read any Excalibur. Why don't you do yourself a favour and read some of the best stuff Claremont and Ellis wrote. As opposed to asking me to summarize 100 phucking comics for you. It's not that much to assume you at least know the bare basics about a character before you start debating them. You didn't even know he had super-speed!
I know, but it was the ABC logic part that drew my attention. Gamora would beat the life out of Carol with skill, and since she has the power to actually do her very real harm. Carol is stronger than Gamora, but it is not by a landslide. Gamora has the skills to ignore Carol's natural durability (body armor), and hit her directly. She would beat Brian really badly, and this is based on seeing Brian fight. Brian is one of those super types with average combat skills (Wonder Man level or less). He depends heavily on his powers, and has never been portrayed as an expert combatant like someone like Thor, who is an actual battle vet, and knows his way around a battle field. Gamora would kill Brian if she had to, and it wouldn't take very long. Despite what people may think, she actually damage Thanos with her strikes, This is Thanos. Imagine what those same strikes would have done to Brian. I mean it's not even close. Betsy is the real threat here.
Originally posted by Supermex
How would Gamora beat Capt.Britain?Capt.Britain has pre-cog at a stupid level I believe, After his resurrection these abilities were further enhanced over his original form..
So he would know that he was going to be whipped but would not actually be able to do anything about it. Are you actually going to try to make a case for him, when his combat skills are nothing in comparison to hers? Would the pre cog suddenly teach him how to fight? Show me Brian's combat expertise. Did you know that Brian has a confidence problem as well? guess what would happen when Gamora hit him once?
Originally posted by Stoic
So he would know that he was going to be whipped but would not actually be able to do anything about it. Are you actually going to try to make a case for him, when his combat skills are nothing in comparison to hers? Would the pre cog suddenly teach him how to fight? Show me Brian's combat expertise. Did you know that Brian has a confidence problem as well? guess what would happen when Gamora hit him once?
Your mean!!
lol
Originally posted by krisblaze
You're just wrong.You didn't read his 70s/80s stuff.
Britain's probably one of the most skilled non-MA character on Marvel Earth.
Show me what he's doing today, because he got a total overhaul. Like I mentioned, Brian's power levels depend on his confidence. He is normally as strong as he was back in the Excalibur days, but if he loses confidence, he loses power. Mention one feat that places him on Gamora's level in terms of combat expertise. You say that he is one of the best MA practitioners on Earth, i call that BS to the highest degree not insulting you, just going from what has been shown by him. Does a expert MA practitioner fly face first into the Juggernaut's fists knowing that Cain is superior to themselves in terms of just about everything?
The only time that I would get behind Brian would be if he was fighting Jarvis.
Originally posted by Stoic
So he would know that he was going to be whipped but would not actually be able to do anything about it. Are you actually going to try to make a case for him, when his combat skills are nothing in comparison to hers? Would the pre cog suddenly teach him how to fight? Show me Brian's combat expertise. Did you know that Brian has a confidence problem as well? guess what would happen when Gamora hit him once?
Can't really answer that right now, but I Dont think CB fighting skills are as bad as your making them out to be.
Gamora is a badass, but CB has a power-set she can't match. If CB really sucks at fighting like you say then yup she might win.
Captain Britain is like Shazam lite some say.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Here's an example of that precog. He can tell that Black Panther is teleporting in before he actually does.
Yes that's fine and dandy, but what happens when she is in his face? This is like giving a system of security cameras the win over Gamora. They see her coming, but they can't do anything to stop her. Dude do yourself a favor, don't throw in with Brian, I used to do this, and learned not to in the long run. he's just too civilized to win against Gamora. She'd flatten him out, and kick his ass in. like I said, she has striking power capable of actually hurting Thanos, but it's not due to her strength, but her ability to find those nerve clusters. I predict a one shot if they ever met. Or Brian would simply yield before things got out of control. Just... listen man just don't back Brian, it's like backing the 2014 NY Knicks. Just don't.
