Weakest being that can beat Indestructible Hulk

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thats the issue. The strength disparity never mattered in earlier comics. I despise feats for feats sake. It's as if each new event is turning into a micheal bay film.

Pre ret con Wolverine truly was a trans tier character, he was absolutely immortal (not exagerating - his ability to heal was an extension of his direct connection with TOAA). He was dropping characters like thanos, hulk, galactus, phoenix, gladiator,etc. with ease.

Then the changes started happening, where marvel had gained financial stability and no longer needed to use wolverine as their poster boy (who was their highest selling character during their darkest financial era. He saved marvel from bankruptcy in terms of propping up sales).

Marvel's new direction for wolverine was a more human character the new generation couls connect with. One who had visible faults, and weaknesses that were not overshadowed by extreme archetypal dominance.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Pre ret con Wolverine truly was a trans tier character, he was absolutely immortal (not exagerating - his ability to heal was an extension of his direct connection with TOAA). He was dropping characters like thanos, hulk, galactus, phoenix, gladiator,etc. with ease.

Then the changes started happening, where marvel had gained financial stability and no longer needed to use wolverine as their poster boy (who was their highest selling character during their darkest financial era. He saved marvel from bankruptcy in terms of propping up sales).

Marvel's new direction for wolverine was a more human character the new generation couls connect with. One who had visible faults, and weaknesses that were not overshadowed by extreme archetypal dominance.

Be that as it may it detracts from the characters roots. Sorta like how hulk is on all these teams when he always wanted to be left alone, etc

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thats the issue. The strength disparity never mattered in earlier comics. I despise feats for feats sake. It's as if each new event is turning into a micheal bay film.

Well, it did and it didn't.

In example the narration in his first apperance, where its stated that one hit from the Hulk might kill him.

He had a lot of sick stuff in the 80s, like his fights with Roughouse or when he was wailing on Grey Hulk, but it was always more about Wolverine being able to dodge the hits, not take endless punishment.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Well, it did and it didn't.

In example the narration in his first apperance, where its stated that one hit from the Hulk might kill him.

He had a lot of sick stuff in the 80s, like his fights with Roughouse or when he was wailing on Grey Hulk, but it was always more about Wolverine being able to dodge the hits, not take endless punishment.

Yet he's been consistently shown to be able to hang until he recently got nerfed. That's y their rivalry was so intense in the 90s

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yet he's been consistently shown to be able to hang until he recently got nerfed. That's y their rivalry was so intense in the 90s

The rivalry has never been intense and it really depends how you define "able to hang". The only time Wolverine has looked capable of hanging by my definition is when Hulk was massively depowered (Fixit) or when Logan was massively powered up (Deathverine).

The historical trend is that Wolverine cannot cut the Savage Hulk and gets KTFO quickly after Hulk manages to tag him. Wolverine's best ever showing vs a green Hulk came within the last 24 months.

Cheers.

Captain America

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thats the issue. The strength disparity never mattered in earlier comics. I despise feats for feats sake. It's as if each new event is turning into a micheal bay film.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thats the issue. The strength disparity never mattered in earlier comics. I despise feats for feats sake. It's as if each new event is turning into a micheal bay film.

Seems like Fury along with other Avengers thinks that the only person/being capable of stopping Hulk is another Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Seems like Fury along with other Avengers thinks that the only person/being capable of stopping Hulk is another Hulk.

Thats because they havent encountered Nimrod...

😉

Lol...you could probably be right since he is a hax character.

Originally posted by carver9
Seems like Fury along with other Avengers thinks that the only person/being capable of stopping Hulk is another Hulk.

Didn't Fury stop Hulk on the moon?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Didn't Fury stop Hulk on the moon?

With the biggest amp any human being should possess. So yes, he did shoot Hulk with some type of Gamma ray. IIRC, it was a sneak attack. Take out the big gun, worry about the rest. That's what I got from it.

Originally posted by carver9
With the biggest amp any human being should possess. So yes, he did shoot Hulk with some type of Gamma ray. IIRC, it was a sneak attack. Take out the big gun, worry about the rest. That's what I got from it.

So....what Fury thinks and what Fury actually does are two completely separate things.

Christmas is over.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So....what Fury thinks and what Fury actually does are two completely separate things.

Christmas is over.

😂

Glad to have you back. Don't understand your point though. Fury was amped to the point that he was capable of taking on the Avengers, after dispatching Hulk. Where are you going with this?

Originally posted by carver9
😂

Glad to have you back. Don't understand your point though. Fury was amped to the point that he was capable of taking on the Avengers, after dispatching Hulk. Where are you going with this?

Originally posted by carver9
Seems like Fury along with other Avengers thinks that the only person/being capable of stopping Hulk is another Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Didn't Fury stop Hulk on the moon?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So....what Fury thinks and what Fury actually does are two completely separate things.

Christmas is over.

IOW, who cares what Fury thinks? Obviously a Hulk is not the only thing that would stop a Hulk.

Uuuummm, Fury no longer possess that power. It was taken from him.

Originally posted by carver9
Uuuummm, Fury no longer possess that power. It was taken from him.

My point still stands. In fact, it is strengthened.

Fury KNOWS you don't need a Hulk to stop a Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My point still stands. In fact, it is strengthened.

Fury KNOWS you don't need a Hulk to stop a Hulk.

What do you need because he had a team full of hero's that included Blue Marvel and he didn't send the team or any of them to stop Hulk. He even mentions that they need the secret weapon to do so and in the previous comic...he even brings up their chances being small due to Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
What do you need because he had a team full of hero's that included Blue Marvel and he didn't send the team or any of them to stop Hulk. He even mentions that they need the secret weapon to do so and in the previous comic...he even brings up their chances being small due to Hulk.

To stop Indestructible? We are just going around in circles. Fury himself would need an amp, and a gamma gun.

Mystique would need a normal gun.

So what level is IH ate Hulk wize?

Last I heard was around Savage.