Pure Buu absorbing South Kaioshin certainly doesn't mean Buu was more powerful--he actually could have been a lot weaker for all we know.
Mystic Gohan, for example, was FAR more powerful than Buuccolo(as stated by Goku), but was still able to be absorbed by a 'Buu-Goo-sneak-attack'. That said, the same thing may have very well happened to South Kaioshin in the manga... We'll never know one way or the other.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I did forget that he was physically shown when I said that, but he still wasn't shown fighting Buu, which makes his power entirely presumptuous at that point, since we have no real feats to go by.However, we can assume he was probably strong enough to do some damage to Kid Buu, but simply not even close to what Goku was capable of. This is because he was unable to kill Buu on his own, which proves that he's obviously inferior to him, and therefore SSJ3 Goku. 👆
Also, we of course have to exclude PIS from the Buu saga, because Gohan should have killed Buu when he first showed up, and not sat around and let him absorb Gotenks and Piccolo.
Well the fact that he was absorbed even in the manga is a big indicator that he was extremely powerful against kid buu.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I did forget that he was physically shown when I said that, but he still wasn't shown fighting Buu, which makes his power entirely presumptuous at that point, since we have no real feats to go by.
Originally posted by Galan007
Um, I know? Ergo: "Buff Buu(Southern Kaioshin absorbed)>Super Buu."In the manga, Goku said that he was "FAR" weaker than Super Buu, but managed to give Pure Buu a good fight even at less than full power, and stated that he could easily destroy him at full power.
ie. Super Buu>>>SSJ3 Goku~/>Pure Buu.This isn't canonically debatable. If you try to use your "anime canon>manga canon" troll-logic, it will be ignored and possibly reported. Just letting you know that now. 👆
Buu absorbed SSJ3 Gotenks, and Piccolo just happened to be standing right next to him at the time, so he was a packaged deal.
Again, Buu typically absorbs beings ~/> himself. Obvious examples:
Mr. Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks
Mystic Gohan
VegitoPoint: Buu absorbs beings to become more powerful. I doubt he would have absorbed the Southern Kaioshin unless he gleaned the same result: added power... This was made even more blatant when Goku/Vegeta noted that Buff Buu's ki>Super Buu's ki.
ie. Buff Buu>Super Buu>>>SSJ3 Goku~/>Pure Buu>Mr. Buu.
Disagree with this. Goku and Vegeta said that Buu power was increasing instead of decreasing. No where was it mentioned that he was losing power...the opposite was said. Kid Buu is more powerful than all of them per Vegeta and Goku admission. Goku even tells us that he is going to be much stronger than he was before.
Originally posted by carver9
Disagree with this. Goku and Vegeta said that Buu power was increasing instead of decreasing. No where was it mentioned that he was losing power...the opposite was said. Kid Buu is more powerful than all of them per Vegeta and Goku admission. Goku even tells us that he is going to be much stronger than he was before.
Super Boo turned into Buff Boo who quickly turned into Kid Boo. Both Goku and Vegeta made light of Kid Boo but were scared of Buff Boo.
Kid Boo ain't shit.
That is one of the many inconsistencies in the series. Fat Buu permenently retained the Dai Kaioshin's jolly/peaceful demeanor after absorbing him, but couldn't hang on to South Kaioshin's uber-powerful traits as well? Yeah, that just doesn't mesh with Buu's overall characterization.
It would seem that the only reason Buu was depicted in his 'Buff' form at all was to introduce the story of how Pure Buu became Fat Buu. /shrug
I have it like this:
Buuhan>>>Buutenks>Mystic Gohan>>Buff Buu>Super Buu~SSJ3 Gotenks>>>SSJ3 Goku(full-power)>>Pure Buu~/>Fat Buu>>Mr. Buu>SSJ2 Vegeta.
Admittedly, it's near-impossible to say exactly where Buff Buu ranks. All we know is that he is more powerful than Super Buu. How much more powerful is entirely open to opinion.
Originally posted by juggerman
He was getting stronger as he was turning from Super Buu to Buff Buu.Super Buu was "far too strong" for Goku and Vegeta yet Goku fought evenly with Kid Buu. That settles it right there
Doesn't make one bit of sense. You're basically saying that he was getting stronger then all of a sudden he became weaker. That goes against everything Goku and Vegeta said and no such thing was mentioned from them. Goku tells us that he is getting more powerful during the transformation. It can not get any clearer than this.
-GOKU EXPLICITLY STATED THAT SUPER BUU WAS FAR MORE POWERFUL THAN HIMSELF.
-BUFF BUU WAS EXPLICITLY STATED TO BE MORE POWERFUL THAN SUPER BUU.
-IT WAS EXPLICITLY SHOWN THAT SSJ3 GOKU WAS ON PAR WITH PURE BUU, EVEN AT LESS THAN FULL POWER.
-VEGETA EXPLICITLY STATED THAT SSJ3 GOKU COULD EASILY OBLITERATE PURE BUU AT FULL POWER, AND GOKU EXPLICITLY AGREED.
SO AGAIN:
BUFF BUU>SUPER BUU>>>SSJ3 GOKU(FULL-POWER)>>SSJ3 GOKU(<FULL-POWER)~PURE BUU.
What exactly isn't computing here..?
Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't make one bit of sense. You're basically saying that he was getting stronger then all of a sudden he became weaker. That goes against everything Goku and Vegeta said and no such thing was mentioned from them. Goku tells us that he is getting more powerful during the transformation. It can not get any clearer than this.
I never said it made sense but that's how it is. Look here:
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3157-13/dragon-ball/chapter-508.html
^ Here as Super Buu is turning into Buff Buu they comment he is getting stronger.
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3158-2/dragon-ball/chapter-509.html
^ Then as he's turning from Buff to Kid they say he's still changing. Notice they purposely do not say he's still gaining strength. Just "changing"
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3158-3/dragon-ball/chapter-509.html
^ Then, seconds after feeling this newest "change", Vegeta is confident they can "handle that". After pooping themselves at Buff Buu's power, do you really think they would be so eger to "handle" something even stronger. Not to mention Goku admitting they didn't stand a chance against Super Buu here:
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3156-12/dragon-ball/chapter-507.html
^ He had zero reason to lie here.
And don't forget this:
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3158-4/dragon-ball/chapter-509.html
^ Akira could have had the Elder say anything there. He specifically avoided saying "the most powerful" and instead said "the most dangerous".
Hopefully it's no longer in question
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Furthermore, I can confirm that all of those scanlations are pretty much spot-on with the VIZ translations. The only real difference is the last scan you posted: Elder Kaioshin doesn't say "most dangerous" in the VIZ translation, he says "most difficult". Pure Buu was the "most difficult" version to control.
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That's actually good, though, because now carver(or anyone for that matter) can't say something like: "Well if Kid Buu wasn't the most powerful Buu, then why does Elder Kai say he's the 'most dangerous' Buu!!11!1!???!!1?" ... I've seen several people try to argue that over the years.
The fact is that Elder Kaioshin didn't comment on Pure Buu's threat-level at all. He simply stated that Pure Buu was the "most difficult" to control, which makes a lot more sense, imo.