There are two reasons that i think that Thor would be able to resist Despero's mind takeover. 1. He was so enraged that TP assault may have been off the books. My reasoning; Why didn't Thanos try this on him?
2. Thor is mystically protected, and even while operating while not being enraged to the point of foaming at the mouth, he has natural TP resistances.
I think that this would come down to a purely physical confrontation. Arguing for Despero; Thor was so enraged, that he fought like a hammer wielding brick that had seemingly forsaken his more exotic abilities.
That being said, It's anyone's guess who would win a mostly physical confrontation between the two.
Originally posted by carver9
Imagine a 10 times more powerful Thor doing this with his hammer.
I can't low-ball the scene, even though I thoroughly disliked it. I mean look at how the heroes seemed to have forgotten that they had more powers than their fists. Look at Hourman SMH. However Despero did good against them (can't take that away). Also it was stated that Thor wasn't truly in Warrior Madness mode, so there's that to think on.
Originally posted by Stoic
I can't low-ball the scene, even though I thoroughly disliked it. I mean look at how the heroes seemed to have forgotten that they had more powers than their fists. Look at Hourman SMH. However Despero did good against them (can't take that away). Also it was stated that Thor wasn't truly in Warrior Madness mode, so there's that to think on.
Looking at the battle scene Despero used TP the entire time which is the reason he gained the advantage. Looking at the scan above, he used TP during that scene as well (the glow above his head). It was much more than a physical brawl imo. Think he gained the advantage against them via TP.
Originally posted by Stoic
True but Thor is much stronger than Hawkman, and out of his mind with rage. Do you really believe that Despero would have beaten that team down if they used their abilities? 😐
and? Nth metal controls the 4 fundamentals of the universe and has hurt other class 100 characters.
Apparently not as they didn't do it. You can't argue PIS for one character and not the other. You guys literally looked at one panel and ignored the rest. That's low balling.
Originally posted by -K-M-
and? Nth metal controls the 4 fundamentals of the universe and has hurt other class 100 characters.Apparently not as they didn't do it. You can't argue PIS for one character and not the other. You guys literally looked at one panel and ignored the rest. That's low balling.
No it really isn't. Thor was looked at as a hero, while Despero is a known and hated villain. The Surfer, and Bill weren't going to go Killer clown on a friend, even one out of his mind with rage. What happened to the DC heroes wasn't the same thing as what happened to the Marvel heroes. Then again Carver may have just bridged the gap that I hadn't immediately realized when he wrote this.
Originally posted by carver9
Looking at the battle scene Despero used TP the entire time which is the reason he gained the advantage. Looking at the scan above, he used TP during that scene as well (the glow above his head). It was much more than a physical brawl imo. Think he gained the advantage against them via TP.
Good point Carver.
Originally posted by Stoic
No it really isn't. Thor was looked at as a hero, while Despero is a known and hated villain. The Surfer, and Bill weren't going to go Killer clown on a friend, even one out of his mind with rage. What happened to the DC heroes wasn't the same thing as what happened to the Marvel heroes. Then again Carver may have just bridged the gap that I hadn't immediately realized when he wrote this.
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Yes you literally based your entire argument because Hawkman hurt him and ignored everything else. That's the very definition of low balling 😬
Except the people have HIGH level of TP resistance including Superman.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Yes you literally based your entire argument because Hawkman hurt him and ignored everything else. That's the very definition of low balling 😬Except the people have HIGH level of TP resistance including Superman.
Is that what I wrote? No. I wrote what I literally thought. Don't interpret what I meant, read what I wrote. I have no reason to lie about something like this. The Marvel heroes did not fight Thor like they would fight a hated enemy, thus there was no PIS, but insted it was CIS. Thor is stronger than Hawkman by quite a bit, so my thinking was that if Hawkman with an Nth metal weapon could hurt Despero the way that he did, Thor would be able to hurt him as badly if not more with his magical mallet, backed by his greater hitting power.
Then Carver made a good point in saying that Despero was probably using his TP against them, which may or may not have stopped them from operating at their best. Those were my thoughts.
Originally posted by Stoic
Is that what I wrote? No. I wrote what I literally thought. Don't interpret what I meant, read what I wrote. I have no reason to lie about something like this. The Marvel heroes did not fight Thor like they would fight a hated enemy, thus there was no PIS, but insted it was CIS. Thor is stronger than Hawkman by quite a bit, so my thinking was that if Hawkman with an Nth metal weapon could hurt Despero the way that he did, Thor would be able to hurt him as badly if not more with his magical mallet, backed by his greater hitting power.Then Carver made a good point in saying that Despero was probably using his TP against them, which may or may not have stopped them from operating at their best. Those were my thoughts.
Carver did and then you went with it. Despero also has taken hits from people stronger then Hawkman as well and was completely fine. Hence, why going by just that showing is faulty and low-balling.
Show me proof he was using telepathy on them directly then. They have HIGH level of telepathy resistance. If he somehow was then why are we assuming Thor would be completely immune?
Originally posted by -K-M-
Carver did and then you went with it. Despero also has taken hits from people stronger then Hawkman as well and was completely fine. Hence, why going by just that showing is faulty and low-balling.Show me proof he was using telepathy on them directly then. They have HIGH level of telepathy resistance. If he somehow was then why are we assuming Thor would be completely immune?
The scan that Carver presented shows the same visual effects of Despero using his powers against Superman, and Captain Marvel, as they do when he clearly uses them against Hawkman. The yellowish lightning looking effects shown in the scan. This was what I looked at when coming to the conclusion that I did. What other reason was there for Superman and the other heroes failing to use more than their faces against his fists? I've always seen that particular encounter as dubious at best, and one of the poorest showings that a team of that caliber could show, when I believe that Superman alone could beat Despero if he really dug into his ass.
Originally posted by Stoic
The scan that Carver presented shows the same visual effects of Despero using his powers against Superman, and Captain Marvel, as they do when he clearly uses them against Hawkman. The yellowish lightning looking effects shown in the scan. This was what I looked at when coming to the conclusion that I did. What other reason was there for Superman and the other heroes failing to use more than their faces against his fists? I've always seen that particular encounter as dubious at best, and one of the poorest showings that a team of that caliber could show, when I believe that Superman alone could beat Despero if he really dug into his ass.
and? that's not proof. He could be doing it on anyone or anything. Superman and Marvel and others have HIGH level of telepathy resistance. If he was controlling them why would he be physically manhandling? You guys have made some faulty statements and large assumptions
Except this isn't the first time Despero and Superman fought. You are making lots more assumptions again.
Hell his head went yellow when he blasted power girl as seen below. Clearly you can see he didn't do it on everyone. The yellow is not around superman and Marvel it's around despero's head just like the scan below. When Despero did it to Hawkman and others the yellow was all around then. Except once again was not around Superman or Marvel just around Despero's head
Originally posted by -K-M-
and? that's not proof. He could be doing it on anyone or anything. Superman and Marvel and others have HIGH level of telepathy resistance. If he was controlling them why would he be physically manhandling? You guys have made some faulty statements and large assumptionsExcept this isn't the first time Despero and Superman fought. You are making lots more assumptions again.
Hell his head went yellow when he blasted power girl as seen below. Clearly you can see he didn't do it on everyone. The yellow is not around superman and Marvel it's around despero's head just like the scan below. When Despero did it to Hawkman and others the yellow was all around then. Except once again was not around Superman or Marvel just around Despero's head
I clearly see him using it on more than just Hawkman in that scan that Carver posted. Look at the way they are all grabbing their heads. This isn't some uneducated assumption that you would like to convince yourself of. It is what I saw in the scan.
We aren't talking about the other times that Superman fought Despero, but the V&V version of Despero. I understand that something else may have been sketched in another scan of the same story, but I was taking my opinion from the scan presented by Carver. I can't remember every single scene from every book that I've read, nor should anyone ever have to. LOB said that the Blond Whore couldn't replicate that scene, and I disagreed. I think that Thor could hurt Despero. I never once said who would win as can be read from my very first statement in this very same thread.
You took that as low balling, while I am telling you that I wasn't. Now are you going to argue with me about the thoughts in my head? I told you my thoughts brother.
Originally posted by Stoic
I clearly see him using it on more than just Hawkman in that scan that Carver posted. Look at the way they are all grabbing their heads. This isn't some uneducated assumption that you would like to convince yourself of. It is what I saw in the scan.We aren't talking about the other times that Superman fought Despero, but the V&V version of Despero. I understand that something else may have been sketched in another scan of the same story, but I was taking my opinion from the scan presented by Carver. I can't remember every single scene from every book that I've read, nor should anyone ever have to. LOB said that the Blond Whore couldn't replicate that scene, and I disagreed. I think that Thor could hurt Despero. I never once said who would win as can be read from my very first statement in this very same thread.
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Yeah he used it on Sand, Wildcat, Hawkman as clearly indicated by the yellow around them. No such yellow was around Superman and Marvel
I was referring to V&V. Again the scan by carver is out of context and then he made a faulty assumption that he was using his telepathy on marvel and superman which clearly wasn't the case just going by the "special effects" which he tried to use
I think Thor can most definitely hurt Despero, but Carver once again fails. Never ever follow suit with what he says. He made a faulty assumption and low balled just going by one scan
Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah he used it on Sand, Wildcat, Hawkman as clearly indicated by the yellow around them. No such yellow was around Superman and MarvelI was referring to V&V. Again the scan by carver is out of context and then he made a faulty assumption that he was using his telepathy on marvel and superman which clearly wasn't the case just going by the "special effects" which he tried to use
I think Thor can most definitely hurt Despero, but Carver once again fails. Never ever follow suit with what he says. He made a faulty assumption and low balled just going by one scan
Yes it was. Look above his head while he clutches Superman and Marvel. In the scan that you presented you see his 3rd eye glowing as well.