Superman: Stalemate.....

Pre-DCnU

Who can stalemate Clark every single time? Without either gaining the upper hand on the other while going all out and doing their best.

Captain Marvel and Orion.

Originally posted by carver9
Captain Marvel and Orion.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Pre-DCnU

Who can stalemate Clark every single time? Without either gaining the upper hand on the other while going all out and doing their best.

Going all out? Thor, Orion, Pre DCnU Captain Marvel, WBH and some more.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Going all out? Thor, Orion, Pre DCnU Captain Marvel, WBH and some more.

Yes to most no to WB Hulk.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yes to most no to WB Hulk.

I think Superman can hold his own strength wise as he has the better feats, the durability will be negated by the speed and vice versa, that's why it is a stalemate.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I think Superman can hold his own strength wise as he has the better feats, the durability will be negated by the speed and vice versa, that's why it is a stalemate.

Better feats than indirectly destroying more than a planet while hitting someone else? Not an average Superman.or Orion, Thor, or any of the others. It was pretty clear what WB Hulk was, and he just wasn't in the power class that he was at during WW Hulk. This isn't really something that's hard to see. Faster yes, more versatile yes, power no. WB Hulk had the power of a sun amplified Superman, not a normal one.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Pre-DCnU

Who can stalemate Clark every single time? Without either gaining the upper hand on the other while going all out and doing their best.

Orion, Billy, Thor 😈

Originally posted by Stoic
Better feats than indirectly destroying more than a planet while hitting someone else? Not an average Superman.or Orion, Thor, or any of the others. It was pretty clear what WB Hulk was, and he just wasn't in the power class that he was at during WW Hulk. This isn't really something that's hard to see. Faster yes, more versatile yes, power no. WB Hulk had the power of a sun amplified Superman, not a normal one.

An planet in a magical dimension shared feat with an magically amped Betty and Hulk possibly too. After that, even more amped they couldn't even dmage the earth, so no don't see those feats greater than the benchpress feat nor the brainiac ship feat. I see a durability advantage from WBh but then again we have clark surviving multiple black holes, so with speed and equal strength, we have a stalemate thanks to wbh HF.

Butterball

Ok

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Butterball

Horrible character. Such potential

Originally posted by Stoic
Better feats than indirectly destroying more than a planet while hitting someone else? Not an average Superman.or Orion, Thor, or any of the others. It was pretty clear what WB Hulk was, and he just wasn't in the power class that he was at during WW Hulk. This isn't really something that's hard to see. Faster yes, more versatile yes, power no. WB Hulk had the power of a sun amplified Superman, not a normal one.

Please don't debate that topic with him. Most know Superman isn't beating WBH. Leave it at that. He is the same guy that said Superman is skyfather level.

Captain Marvel would get destroyed by Superman if both were going all out. From DC : only a geared out WW and Orion could do it (from the Herald Tier).

From Marvel : Thor or Surfer could do it.

Originally posted by zopzop
Captain Marvel would get destroyed by Superman if both were going all out. From DC : only a geared out WW and Orion could do it (from the Herald Tier).

From Marvel : Thor or Surfer could do it.

I use to think that Cap could match him but he's so watered down lately

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I use to think that Cap could match him but he's so watered down lately

Every time they fought, Cap either sucker attacked him, lost straight up, or Superman was holding back.

Originally posted by zopzop
Truth be told, he was never a match for Superman.

Every time they fought, Cap either sucker attacked him, lost straight up, or Superman was holding back.

Every fight?

Originally posted by zopzop
Truth be told, he was never a match for Superman.

Every time they fought, Cap either sucker attacked him, lost straight up, or Superman was holding back.

Golden Age Captain Marvel can.

Originally posted by zopzop
Captain Marvel would get destroyed by Superman if both were going all out. From DC : only a geared out WW and Orion could do it (from the Herald Tier).

From Marvel : Thor or Surfer could do it.

Sigh.

In Herald tier, nobody. Even bloodlusted Orion was only able to stalemate a holding back superman, and superman has flat out overpowered people who have oneshotted Orion.