Nah, Caedus's offensive application of the Force doesn't compare to either Traya's or Exar Kun's. If this is any non-DE incarnation of Sidious, Team 2 stomps. DE Sidious makes it a lot more interesting, in the sense that he can swiftly destroy everyone with his Force Storm, but at the same time it's entirely possible he can also be brought down by the members of the other team before he can summon one. It depends on how much help he gets from his teammates, who themselves are completely outclassed by the other team. Maul, for example, probably gets instantly ragdolled by any member of the second team, and Dooku/Vader wouldn't really do much better.
Originally posted by appletonia
Yeah, when people talk about him they usually talk about his durability or esoteric abilities, rather than the output of his powers, which doesn't seem to be too great based on feats.
He has a good defensive feat of deflecting a gunships turbolasers or something in Dark Nest. And I think he lifts a ship with Luke at one point.
Well I think Traya and Kun could take Maul/Dooku/Vader, if Traya drains maul, she can take Dooku while Exar takes Vader. Alone being 1v1's I wouldn't be sure of the results, but Kun and Traya compliment each other perfectly and would win a 2v2.
Just entirely depends on if Caedus and Malgus can take DE Sidious. Or even survive to him long enough.
Originally posted by appletonia
Something like this:1. DE Sidious
2. Darth Nihilus
3. Vitiate
4. Tulak Hord
5. Marka Ragnos3-5 are mostly based on reputation though.
Caedus probably wouldn't make my top 15, and is leagues below the likes of DE Sidious and Nihilus.
LOL. Okay, now I'm not as shocked that you don't consider him top tier.
The thing about Team 1 is that they're generally better with Sabers (Do not go Saber to Saber with Dooku, or even Vader. They will KILL you) and even Maul is pretty much a lightsaber trying to kill people. A beatstick. Sidious remains the trump card, of course, because Force Storm is an instant win condition. His 3 guards just have to do like a football team and protect their QB long enough for him to get that going.
Team 2 generally has a force advantage. While Dooku and Vader can hold their own (Vader's best move is TK, nobody's going to be ragdolling him, and Dooku is capable of fending Yoda off, at least temporarily), Maul really can't.
It can be assumed Maul will be going after Malgus, initially, and he's basically outclassed.
So basically, Vader and Dooku just have to hold out long enough to get the Force Storm going. Team 2 wants to get by them to 'sack the QB.'
The other option, of course, is that Sidious, faster by far then all members of team 2 save Caedus, might outright kill Kun, Traya, or Malgus, treating them like B team in his office, speed blitzing the bunch of them.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He has a good defensive feat of deflecting a gunships turbolasers or something in Dark Nest. And I think he lifts a ship with Luke at one point.
Yeah, casually batting away Turbolaser fire is practically the best deflection feat in the mythos, and his esoteric powers are numerous.
Luke isn't present during the latter feat, IIRC, Jacen does it alone. The ship is 40x20 meters, though, so far from small. He can also trade blows with Luke as far as TK goes, so he's hardly shabby.
In terms of Power/Telepathy, it's pretty impressive that the combined Force power of nearly 400 Kilik Nests can't influence him, whereas Jaina and other powerful Jedi were controlled.
IIRC His lightning fried some Vong, which are notoriously Force-resistant. It also KO'd Jaina, which is also fairly impressive considering how powerful she is.
Supposedly he also has impressive illusion/mind domination feats, but I am not aware of them. Perhaps you could run it by Arhael, see what he picks up.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yeah, casually batting away Turbolaser fire is practically the best deflection feat in the mythos, and his esoteric powers are numerous.
To give you an idea, some Turbolaser based weapon systems, mounted on enormous starships, are powerful enough to utterly destroy a skyscraper with a single shot and I don't think that this kind of Turbolaser can be countered with a lightsaber.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Luke isn't present during the latter feat, IIRC, Jacen does it alone. The ship is 40x20 meters, though, so far from small. He can also trade blows with Luke as far as TK goes, so he's hardly shabby.
Small Starships in Star Wars can be made of light materials to reduce their weight, make them maneuverable and capable of flights in space.
For comparative purposes, Fokker 70 is 100 feet long, weights 22 tons, and it is much bigger then many small starships in Star Wars: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Fokker70-lba.jpg
My assumption is that the Jet that Jacen lifted could be around 5 tons mark at maximum. Please keep in mind that the weight of the Jet increases exponentially with size and not in linear fashion.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
In terms of Power/Telepathy, it's pretty impressive that the combined Force power of nearly 400 Kilik Nests can't influence him, whereas Jaina and other powerful Jedi were controlled.
And Jaina wasn't a powerful Jedi at this point. She was in the process of learning and growing.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
IIRC His lightning fried some Vong, which are notoriously Force-resistant. It also KO'd Jaina, which is also fairly impressive considering how powerful she is.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Supposedly he also has impressive illusion/mind domination feats, but I am not aware of them. Perhaps you could run it by Arhael, see what he picks up.
