Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Which of Thors striking feats in particular? Him against Ironman, Loki and Hulk?
Thor's Jotunheim buster or his lightning strike against multiple chitauri. Hulk's leviathan punch. I don't recall any single attack from the kryptonians that could match the damage output of these.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor's Jotunheim buster or his lightning strike against multiple chitauri. Hulk's leviathan punch. I don't recall any single attack from the kryptonians that could match the damage output of these.
Every one of Superman and Zod's punches was making shokwaves, their attacks were collapsing skyscrapers, a big chunk of the city was wrecked due to them. In comparison Hulk and Thor couldn't even seriously damage the Helicarrier they were fighting on. Superman also punched Namek with enough force to send him flying for hundreds meters and explode a train composition.
Then there's durability, Hulk was pinned down by Chitauri lasers (the same ones that couldn't even kill Captain America with a clean shot), while Superman was crashing through mountains and tanking locomotives uninjured.
I don't think we have to discuss speed.
Superman and Faora stomp.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Cannot wait to rub it in after Batman beats that ass.
You're gonna be waiting a long time then. Snyder laughed at the idea.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Every one of Superman and Zod's punches was making shokwaves, their attacks were collapsing skyscrapers, a big chunk of the city was wrecked due to them. In comparison Hulk and Thor couldn't even seriously damage the Helicarrier they were fighting on. Superman also punched Namek with enough force to send him flying for hundreds meters and explode a train composition.Then there's durability, Hulk was pinned down by Chitauri lasers (the same ones that couldn't even kill Captain America with a clean shot), while Superman was crashing through mountains and tanking locomotives uninjured.
I don't think we have to discuss speed.
Superman and Faora stomp.
You're gonna be waiting a long time then. Snyder laughed at the idea.
Speed, durablity and overall power I think are pretty clearly in the kryptonian's favor.
But simply making shockwaves from punches doesn't compare to Hulk punching a leviathan or Thor decimating a whole landscape. Superman and Zod collapsed buildings but they didn't do so from single hits. They blasted through them repeatedly before the buildings collapsed. Again, that's nothing compared to Thor one-shotting multiple leviathans... leviathans that had no problem smashing through buildings themselves.
My point in saying this is not to argue that the Avengers can win this fight. They can't. I'm merely pointing out that Hulk and Thor can definitely hurt the kryptonians if they're able to land hits.
P.S. - the chitauri lasers that pinned Hulk were not the same ones that Cap was shot with. Everyone knows this.
Everyone of Superman and Zod's punches did NOT cause shockwaves. In fact, only one punch did. The biggest shockwave was when they flew/lept at each other and collided. But that had momentum behind it.
Thor showed greater striking power when he hit Malekeith in London and the shockwave blew out windows several yards away.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah, they're good at punching each other and sending each other flying. Still doesn't show much destructive capabilities rivaling the leviathan punch and jotuheim buster.
Not long after that Zod punch I mentioned, Kal and Zod punch each other and the shockwave alone is strong enough to shatter and tear down a very large portion off the side of a skyscraper. Not hard to imagine that either Kryptonian could one-shot a leviathan ship same as Hulk.
Originally posted by 80sBaby
Everyone of Superman and Zod's punches did NOT cause shockwaves. In fact, only one punch did. The biggest shockwave was when they flew/lept at each other and collided. But that had momentum behind it.Thor showed greater striking power when he hit Malekeith in London and the shockwave blew out windows several yards away.
Psychotron might have been a little overzealous in his claim, but just about every single punch exchanged that connected in that final battle created a visible shockwave. The none shockwaves ones are when Zod hits Kal with the I-beam and the up close face punches when they're reentering Earth's atmosphere.
Originally posted by Robtard
Not long after that Zod punch I mentioned, Kal and Zod punch each other and the shockwave alone is strong enough to shatter and tear down a very large portion off the side of a skyscraper. Not hard to imagine that either Kryptonian could one-shot a leviathan ship same as Hulk.
Let me make myself clear. I am not belittling the punching strength of Superman or Zod or any kryptonian. All I'm saying is that none of them have striking feats that compare to what Hulk and especially Thor did... at least in terms of destructive force.
Shattering glass and cracking concrete with shockwaves is impressive but not quite as impressive as taking down acres of iced land. And as was previously mentioned, the shockwave Thor produce when he struck Malekith was even more destructive.
All I'm saying is that Hulk and especially Thor are very capable of hurting Kryptonians.
Originally posted by Robtard
Psychotron might have been a little overzealous in his claim, but just about every single punch exchanged that connected in that final battle created a visible shockwave. The none shockwaves ones are when Zod hits Kal with the I-beam and the up close face punches when they're reentering Earth's atmosphere.
Yeah, I think you're remembering it incorrectly. I watched this movie a couple of days ago and there was actually only one shockwave from punches. It's right when Superman dodges the tanker. Any other shockwaves were due to collisions not just punches.
But as to the fight, I think it's close but I can see the Avengers taking a slim majority. Ironman is actually the wildcard. His weaponry is may be capable of distracting the kryptonians, if not outright damaging the armor. He can't put them down, of course, but a good dhot at the right moment can make a difference.
Hulk had trouble landing hits on Thor. He couldn't land a hit on Blonsky until Blonsky allowed himself to be kicked.
Supes and Faora are much faster than either one of those guys. Hulk gets KO'd or BFR'd quickly, leaving Thor alone with two Kryptonians. Since Thor had trouble putting away Iron Man, I don't like his chances.
Originally posted by 80sBaby
Everyone of Superman and Zod's punches did NOT cause shockwaves. In fact, only one punch did. The biggest shockwave was when they flew/lept at each other and collided. But that had momentum behind it.Thor showed greater striking power when he hit Malekeith in London and the shockwave blew out windows several yards away.
Not every one, but the ones that connected usually did. Small shockwaves, not like the big ones like when they collided.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Speed, durablity and overall power I think are pretty clearly in the kryptonian's favor.But simply making shockwaves from punches doesn't compare to Hulk punching a leviathan or Thor decimating a whole landscape. Superman and Zod collapsed buildings but they didn't do so from single hits. They blasted through them repeatedly before the buildings collapsed. Again, that's nothing compared to Thor one-shotting multiple leviathans... leviathans that had no problem smashing through buildings themselves.
My point in saying this is not to argue that the Avengers can win this fight. They can't. I'm merely pointing out that Hulk and Thor can definitely hurt the kryptonians if they're able to land hits.
P.S. - the chitauri lasers that pinned Hulk were not the same ones that Cap was shot with. Everyone knows this.
Well, maybe, but I still think Superman's strength feats are better. Overpowering the gravity beam that was flattening skyscrapers, while weakened, and overpowering the singularity are better than Hulk's Leviathan feat IMO or Thor's Icebuster. Heck, the singularity feat might as well be pulled straight from a comic, it's really cheesy.
Eh, I don't remember the details about the lasers, I only saw the movie once.
Originally posted by PsychotronWell, maybe, but I still think Superman's strength feats are better. Overpowering the gravity beam that was flattening skyscrapers, while weakened, and overpowering the singularity are better than Hulk's Leviathan feat IMO or Thor's Icebuster. Heck, the singularity feat might as well be pulled straight from a comic, it's really cheesy.
Eh, I don't remember the details about the lasers, I only saw the movie once.
As I said previously, I agree that the kryptonians are overall more powerful/stronger. That's where Superman's gravity beam feat comes in.
Originally posted by 80sBaby
Yeah, I think you're remembering it incorrectly. I watched this movie a couple of days ago and there was actually only one shockwave from punches. It's right when Superman dodges the tanker. Any other shockwaves were due to collisions not just punches.But as to the fight, I think it's close but I can see the Avengers taking a slim majority. Ironman is actually the wildcard. His weaponry is may be capable of distracting the kryptonians, if not outright damaging the armor. He can't put them down, of course, but a good dhot at the right moment can make a difference.
I don't think I am.
From 00:59 to 01:06 alone there are five visible shockwaves created from punches.
Even when Zod misses a 01:08 due to Kal ducking, the speed of Zod's punch still creates a visible wave
Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think I am.From 00:59 to 01:06 alone there are five visible shockwaves created from punches.
Even when Zod misses a 01:08 due to Kal ducking, the speed of Zod's punch still creates a visible wave
Apologies, I stand corrected. I honestly didn't even see those until looking on my phone. Although my point about Thor's having better striking feats still stands.
Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think I am.From 00:59 to 01:06 alone there are five visible shockwaves created from punches.
Even when Zod misses a 01:08 due to Kal ducking, the speed of Zod's punch still creates a visible wave
Yes, this is what I was talking about. Compare that to Thor vs. Hulk, it looks far more brutal.