Originally posted by Nephthys
No
Why can't you be supportive for once?
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm saying that people shouldn't throw around things that happen in vision as if they are actual feats.
Well still, I think the show tells us how Anakin surpassed Dooku there. I doubt that it was a random dream sequence where anyone could kill Dooku.
Originally posted by SiniousWell still, I think the show tells us how Anakin surpassed Dooku there. I doubt that it was a random dream sequence where anyone could kill Dooku.
What are you talking about? Anakin wasn't even there. Yoda, Sidious and possibly Dooku took part in this dream sequence together. Anakin was just an illusion.
Seen as Anakin chopped off Dooku's head in the dream, and seen as Yoda saw little snippets of the future throughout that story arc, it seems pretty clear to me that was another vision indicating what's to come in ROTS.
Maul. He's consistently force owned Obi Wan. Plus we've never fully seen him unleash himself on Kenobi, as he never aimed to kill him outright. Not to mention he held his own against Windu and Aayla at the same time, taking Aayla out with ease. His high end feats heavily outweigh his one low showing against Kenobi in the cave.
Anakin can win, depending on his state of mind. For example, he can casually dominate Ventress when he's angry, and press Dooku considerably, or straight up own Dooku (ROTS). When he tries to hold back his anger, he underperforms, and even Ventress gives him trouble then.
So it depends on how angry Anakin is and how much focus he has over it. If it's the Anakin who beat Dooku in ROTS, he'd win solidly, though I think Maul can hold on longer than Dooku by virtue of being physically stronger than Dooku.
Originally posted by carthage
This is TCW Anakin unless otherwise noted, I don't see why he'd be hindered anyway.
What are you talking about?
He's not. Even in TCW, Anakin is a more threatening opponent when he uses his rage. He's casually dominated Ventress with the force and consistently gave Dooku a struggle. However, when he holds back his anger, even Ventress can give him hell, and Dooku does better against him, as seen in season 6 when he faced Dooku alongside Kenobi. Some people think Anakin and Kenobi underperform as a team. I disagree; I think they make an excellent team, but in the presence of Obi Wan, Anakin seems to hold back his anger.
Anakin does perform much better when angry. That being said, even when calm, he's still always a pretty solid fighter and doesn't have the sort of low showings Obi-Wan has Imo.
He's never lost to Ventress, not got beaten up by Cad Bane and even when Dooku's beating him, he's almost always held his own and never been owned by him the way Obi-Wan has. So he clearly has solid defenses.
This is a good fight. I only give Maul the edge because this is Maul at his peak. If this was Anakin at his peak(ROTS) I'd give him the solid win.
Maul. He's consistently force owned Obi Wan.
In TCW's later days, Anakin consistently ragdolls figures like Ventress as well. Not to mention his feat with the Water Tower in early Season 4 is rather impressive as well.
or straight up own Dooku (ROTS).
To be fair, he's become vastly more powerful by that point. Still, in S4 he was almost able to defeat Dooku--he should definitely be taken seriously.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
In TCW's later days, Anakin consistently ragdolls figures like Ventress as well. Not to mention his feat with the Water Tower in early Season 4 is rather impressive as well.To be fair, he's become vastly more powerful by that point. Still, in S4 he was almost able to defeat Dooku--he should definitely be taken seriously.
Other than their last confrontation in the series, when has Anakin owned Ventress? That's the only time I can think of, and he was very angry at the time. Other than that occasion, Ventress does rather well against him.
Yeah, he almost beat Dooku once, and always pressed him in all their one on one encounters in TCW, but Anakin hates Dooku with a passion and taps into the dark side (which is a quicker path to power) on account of that hatred. During season 6, he was less threatening to Dooku despite Kenobi fighting alongside him.
Anakin's performance fluctuate, and while his anger has been consistent in a lot of his fights in the series, I don't see him fighting Maul with as much raw hate as when he fights Dooku, unless Maul gives him a reason. Maul has consistently ragdolled Kenobi, while somewhat holding back and not even trying to kill him, whereas Ventress, who is basically Kenobi's equal, usually gives Anakin a good challenge.
Originally posted by carthage
All I said was I couldn't find a reason why he'd be hindered and or his state of mind would affect his performance in TCW.
Not hinder. It's just when very angry, Anakin usually gives people like Dooku a good challenge, and can even come close to defeating him.
Anakin's a beast all the time, and would be a challenge for Dooku, just not to the same extent as when he's angry.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Other than their last confrontation in the series, when has Anakin owned Ventress? That's the only time I can think of, and he was very angry at the time. Other than that occasion, Ventress does rather well against him.
I mean, he also does it to Bariss and the like; similarly capable Force users.
During season 6, he was less threatening to Dooku despite Kenobi fighting alongside him.
I don't think that was a low showing for Anakin, but a high showing for Dooku--he was, after all, on threat of imminent death from Sidious.
I don't see him fighting Maul with as much raw hate as when he fights Dooku, unless Maul gives him a reason.
Uh, the dude murdered Qui-Gon. I don't think Anakin will need any more motivation to lop his head off.
Originally posted by NewGuy01I don't think that was a low showing for Anakin, but a high showing for Dooku--he was, after all, on threat of imminent death from Sidious.
Whichever it was, it's clear Dooku was fighting better. But still Skywalker even in his lower performaces (like that one) tends to hold his own. And not get battered the way Obi-Wan did.
And Obi-Wan himself knows it, which is why he decided to fling push Anakin to chase Dooku solo.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I mean, he also does it to Bariss and the like; similarly capable Force users.I don't think that was a low showing for Anakin, but a high showing for Dooku--he was, after all, on threat of imminent death from Sidious.
Uh, the dude murdered Qui-Gon. I don't think Anakin will need any more motivation to lop his head off.
I don't think his performance with Barriss is comparable, especially since he wasn't trying to kill her. He certainly was angry, but I don't think he was trying to focus his rage in an effort to kill her as he does against Dooku.
It wasn't a low showing for Anakin at all. He did well, just not as threatening when he's going all out and focusing his rage to kill Dooku. When he is in the presence of Kenobi he tends to hold back his rage. Even in ROTS, he battered the hell out of Dooku once Obi Wan was unconscious and out of the fight, but when Kenobi was still in the picture, Dooku was doing a lot better and holding his own even against their combined effort. I don't think their battle in season 6 was a high showing for Dooku at all. He's bested Ventress and two other nightsisters while drugged and blind. In fact, Ventress has never shown to be a match for Dooku, whereas she has consistently did well against Anakin. Dooku is just that good, and I don't see Anakin pulling off Dooku's consistent showings. Anakin is more powerful than Dooku, but lacks Dooku's command over his actualized power. It's only when he's focusing his anger, that he can defeat Dooku. But as far as pressing Dooku those other times, well I don't think that's beyond Maul's ability at all.