1.) That 2-3 year time period contains some of Luke's lowest showings, including being defeated by Desann.
2.) Exar did not defeat Luke alone; he had the help of Kyp Durron, one of the most powerful force sensitives in the mythos. Not to mention that he had both prep time and the advantage of a Dark Side Nexus to help him out.
3.) Exar Kun is stronger than Malgus. What's your point?
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Then present that ample reasoning. Not that "He's a tier 9" bullshit, because I frankly could not care less where someone is rated on a fanmade tier list as far as an actual versus debate goes.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Is it conjecture that Caedus's performance against Luke in martial combat is more impressive than any of Malgus's showings in that regard?
According to Sidious, Malgus's battlefield feats have never been duplicated which is significant hype, coming from one of the most arrogant individuals of the mythos who have very high standards for competence for himself and his apprentice.
Speed:-
Malgus have defeated other master swordsmen, one of them have history of outright blitzing competent warriors (Zallow).
Conclusion:-
Malgus is likely fast enough to contend with Caedus, in the light of his hype and showings.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Luke has had a good 3 decades since then to improve.
My point is that Luke isn't infallible. Let us treat him like a realistic individual and we would be in the position to make realistic assessments.
If we are assume that Luke is untouchable, which isn't the case by the way since Lumiya and Lord Nyax also proved this, we won't be able to formulate realistic assessments.
I don't think Caedus have superior combat prowess then Sidious. Sometimes, mindset is game-changer. Luke had to worry about Ben while contending with Caedus for the second time and they were also relatives; Caedus had fallen to the dark side so his mindset was different then that of Luke's.
At another point, Luke just pinned Caedus with a telekinetic grip, which shows how well Luke can do if he is not mentally conflicted.
So let us not mistakenly assume that Caedus is untouchable or something along with Luke.
Hah, Malgus isn't fast enough to contend with Caedus.
Caedus has moved his saber fast enough to make it appear as a column of light, lit up an entire portion of the Anakin Solo with his blade, formed ribbons and fans of his blade simultaneously, dodged blaster bolts while injured, fought faster than Ben Skywalker could perceive, formed curtains out of his blade, etc.
He is three or four tiers of speed above Malgus, Malgus is Qui Gon speed tier
Originally posted by carthage
Hah, Malgus isn't fast enough to contend with Caedus.
Originally posted by carthage
Caedus has moved his saber fast enough to make it appear as a column of light, formed ribbons and fans of his blade simultaneously, dodged blaster bolts while injured, fought faster than Ben Skywalker could perceive, formed curtains out of his blade, etc.
Originally posted by carthage
He is three or four tiers of speed above Malgus, Malgus is Qui Gon speed tier
Originally posted by Angelalex242
Exar taking Luke out was likely PIS. Or Drama Preserving Handicap. Or Worf Effect. Or something. If Exar lost, wouldn't be much of a plot, would it?But as was said earlier, that was hardly peak Luke at the time.
Exar Kun is just that strong. I am not surprised if the best of the ancients can contend with the likes of Luke, Sidious and Caedus. They are just that good.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
1.) That 2-3 year time period contains some of Luke's lowest showings, including being defeated by Desann.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
2.) Exar did not defeat Luke alone; he had the help of Kyp Durron, one of the most powerful force sensitives in the mythos. Not to mention that he had both prep time and the advantage of a Dark Side Nexus to help him out.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
3.) Exar Kun is stronger than Malgus. What's your point?
Originally posted by carthage
Ok?
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Zallow:-
Speed:
Malgus finally spotted Master Zallow ten paces away, whirling, spinning, his green blade a blur of precision and speed. One Sith warrior fell to him, another.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived
Biltzing performance:
Zallow flipped and landed upright in a crouch near two of Malgus's Sith warriors.
They lunged for him and Zallow parried one blow, leapt over the second, and spun a rapid circle, cutting down both Sith.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived
NOTE: These weren't ordinary Sith Warriors, these were among the best of the Empire.
Power:
Lord Adraas landed before him, trying to take Malgus's kill for himself. Adraas ducked low and slashed at Zallow’s knees. Zallow leapt over the blow and unleashed a blast of energy that sent Adraas skidding on his backside across the hall.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived
NOTE: Lord Adraas was the main rival of Malgus as of Deceived.
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Leener:-
Speed:
But before he could stand Aryn was over him, her blade a blur of motion that formed a cocoon of green light around them, deflecting blaster shots in all directions. She grabbed him under his armpit and helped him to his feet while still deflecting shots.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived
NOTE: Leener was so fast that she multi-tasked at this moment. She have one of the best speed feats in the mythos actually. Her top showing in speed is mind-boggling, but its a big description. If you are interested, I can post it.
Power:
I don't have to say anything about her power, do I?
But here is a feat:-
Aryn gestured at a cargo tram near the three men shooting at them from behind. The six cars of the tram rushed toward the men, propelled by Aryn’s power.
NOTE: Trams are really big vehicles.
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Shan:-
Speed:
The Grand Master had impressed with more than her telekinetic and telepathic skills. Her speed and decisiveness in combat were unbelievable—but she never once made a sound. Her face was calm, almost serene, as she slashed and hacked through the hexes.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance
Lol at using Kun's spirit hax against Luke as a valid argument for Malgus posing a threat to GM Luke.
DE Luke would handily defeat corporeal Kun, GM Luke would stomp Kun three ways till Coruscant and i'm a huge Kun fanboy.
None of the TOR era besides Vitiate and perhaps Revan stand any form of a chance against Caedus, don't be ludicrous.
DE Luke would handily defeat corporeal Kun, GM Luke would stomp Kun three ways till Coruscant and i'm a huge Kun fanboy.
Unlikely, tbh.
None of the TOR era besides Vitiate and perhaps Revan stand any form of a chance against Caedus, don't be ludicrous.
Are you implying that Malgus isn't up to par with Revan?
Originally posted by AncientPower
Sidious already thought Anakin Solo was immensely powerful and he wasn't even born yet. Caedus was far more powerful than his brother or his sister.
Sidious wanted a good host for possession so he would be able to perform well. The clones were not up to the mark.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Lol at using Kun's spirit hax against Luke as a valid argument for Malgus posing a threat to GM Luke.
Kun had possessed a host.
Originally posted by AncientPower
DE Luke would handily defeat corporeal Kun, GM Luke would stomp Kun three ways till Coruscant and i'm a huge Kun fanboy.
Kun was arguably toughest in his original form. Much of the power that he acquired by draining Massassi went into maintaining immortality for centuries. When he was awakened, he felt the need of a host to tackle powerful Jedi such as Luke.
Originally posted by AncientPower
None of the TOR era besides Vitiate and perhaps Revan stand any form of a chance against Caedus, don't be ludicrous.
Emperor would simply break Caedus or comfortably subdue him with his powers. Revan also have relatively superior showings.
Their would be others who can handle Caedus; Malgus; Nox; Emperor's Wrath II; Jadus. Perhaps more.
While Caedus is solid, lets not mistakenly assume that he is untouched barring Luke. Fans blow him out of proportion for his one-time performance against Luke but they conveniently overlook circumstances of this confrontation. As I pointed out in another thread, do not expect every confrontation between Luke and Caedus to end the same way as it ended in front of Ben.
If Luke had no emotional attachments with Caedus and did not had to worry about Ben, he would have smoked Caedus.
You could try proving that Vitiate can comfortably break Caedus but it wouldn't work well for you. I suggest a thorough re-reading of Legacy of the Force before making astoundingly incorrect assumptions like that.
Darth Caedus is a very strong match for anyone bar Luke and his Force powers, which Vitiate doesn't even begin to approach.
No amount of TOR character hype will change that, DE Luke handily defeated DE Sidious in a duel. Yet a many times superior LOTF Luke couldn't simply disarm Caedus and could not subdue him with his blade, they even used limited Force powers against one another, which Caedus held his own with.
Caedus is top 3 of all time, claiming anyone but Luke can comfortably do anything to him is a blatantly misinformed statement.
You claim Caedus and Luke are overrated in numerous threads, despite them having mountains of evidence backing their ranking. Yet you overrate TOR characters far beyond their worth constantly.
Vitiate is on a level with the Ones and such? Abeloth alone was a dozen times more powerful than Luke Skywaller, a Grand Master arguably twice as powerful as ROTJ Sidious.
ThePost-ROTJ era is far more powerful than you admit it is.