Originally posted by AncientPower
Sidious would smash anyone you just listed apple, but he could not perform the same level of domination over Maul.
No he would not. The idea that any non-DE version of Sidious is this supremely powerful Force User is a myth. Bane, by the end of POD, is already a lot more powerful than ROTS Sidious and a much better duelist to boot. Sarro is probably the only person I listed that I wouldn't consider solidly above Sidious as a duelist.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
A Jedi who cannot even conjure up a simple Force barrier to protect herself from a telekinetic assault even after being augmented by BM, doesn't seems powerful in the ways of the Force.
You forgot to mention that it was a telekinetic assualt being dished out by Darth Bane.
Also, Brotherhood Sith are really lacking on average as well.
Another myth.
Originally posted by appletonia
No he would not. The idea that any non-DE version of Sidious is this supremely powerful Force User is a myth. Bane, by the end of POD, is already a lot more powerful than ROTS Sidious and a much better duelist to boot. Sarro is probably the only person I listed that I wouldn't consider solidly above Sidious as a duelist.
The Phantom Menace Sidious was already more powerful than Darth Plagueis and Revenge of the Sith Sidious is stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord of all time in numerous sources.
Not to mention that Yoda, confirmed to be the most powerful warrior of the Light Side ever by that time, could only hold his own against Sidious, never defeat him as confirmed in ROTS novelisation.
Originally posted by AncientPower
The Phantom Menace Sidious was already more powerful than Darth Plagueis and Revenge of the Sith Sidious is stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord of all time in numerous sources.Not to mention that Yoda, confirmed to be the most powerful warrior of the Light Side ever by that time, could only hold his own against Sidious, never defeat him as confirmed in ROTS novelisation.
What you need to realise is that the Star Wars universe is an incredibly inconsistent universe; this is both clear by simple observation but it has also been declared by George Lucas and various other officials. The idea that every single feat and accolade fits neatly into this one coherent universe simply doesn't work. You can't just pick a single statement and stand by it come what may; if it is incompatible with elements of the Star Wars universe that can be argued to possess more legitimacy, then it has no standing, bottom line.
But aside from that, every single statement that I've personally come across, and that's a lot of them, has always been fairly ambiguous. You'll be hard pressed to find a statement that you can argue definitively establishes that Sidious was the most powerful Sith Lord ever (regardless of what you mean by "powerful"😉.
But I understand that you're simply following the status quo, which is what practically everyone here does (and desperately tries to defend), and it's one of the reasons why this forum has become kind of lame.
I'm pretty sure George Lucas has never declared them the most powerful Jedi/Sith of all time, and even if he did, who cares? George Lucas has personally stated that he considers the Expanded Universe and his universe two distinct entities; the EU is not what George Lucas considers when making such statements, and in many ways the EU has become much larger than George Lucas.
Fight it all you want, but the movies quite clearly paint a picture of relatively tame and ordinary Force Users once you start looking at how powerful they have been shown to get in the EU. Everybody intuitively understands this, and yet they desperately try to fight it for some reason. You have to start looking at EU sources that demonstrate movie characters doing things inconsistent with what they could do in the movies to even the playing field, but even then they are by no means stand out feats when looking at the entirety of the EU. The idea that Sidious as of ROTS is the most powerful Sith ever is laughable, and no statement will ever change that. Yoda being the most powerful Jedi is not as questionable, simply because of the general lack of overpowered Jedi in the mythos, but the idea that Yoda can compete with the very best Sith 100% is.
It's an opinion. Mine carries as much or more weight as yours does. Her shortcomings are in protecting against force attacks. That doesn't mean weakness, simply weakness in that area. She was clearly very powerful in her physical amplification.
Still waiting for anyone to show any feats that occur within text (not off panel or in a passing mention)/without bm of any force augmentation feats for Raskta. You're the second one to make that claim and not provide any examples, yet you claim your opinion has more worth than another poster? Lol