Tulkas vs Juubito

Originally posted by Kadan
Yes. Never claimed that.....
I don't remember him fearing Varda, it has got to be wrong. ❌
Tulkas and Manwe makes sense.
But I don't remember him fearing any of the others.....
I'll have to give it reread sometime.

Yes you did...

Originally posted by Kadan
Melkor having just defeated the entire Valar combined besides Tulkas, was then defeated by Tulkas one on one, after an unknown amount of time.

"and feared her more than all others whom Eru made."

From the Valaquenta in the published Sil.

Originally posted by Kadan
Wait, are you sure Melkor was weakened when Tulkas wrestled with him?

Yes. It's from an essay in Morgoth's Ring.

Originally posted by ares834
Yes you did...

"and feared her more than all others whom Eru made."

From the Valaquenta in the published Sil.

'Note that in the early age of Arda he (Melkor) was alone able to drive the Valar out of Middle-earth into retreat."
Notice how he mentions that Melkor is alone and does not have his armies of Maiar helping him yet.

That Melkor was as mighty as the rest of the Valar combined would also help explain why they were weary to make war upon him. Indeed, according to Tolkien, "The war against Utumno was only undertaken by the Valar with reluctance, and without hope of real victory, but rather as a covering action or diversion, to enable them to get the Quendi out of his sphere of influence." Yet, at that time, unbeknownst to the Valar, Melkor was far weaker than he initially was. "But Melkor had already progressed some way towards becoming 'the Morgoth, a tyrant.
Found these notes, interesting. It seems Melkor when he fought Tulkas was more or less at Manwe's power or slightly lower.

It seems that with the round world version Tolkien wrote, that he intended to make Melkor physically strong enough to rip a continent from Arda and then to throw it into the sky, creating the Moon.
Tolkien envisioned a continental (with power or bare hands,) actual star busting villain. But never got to do it.
I think its easy to say Melkor at his height is greater then Tulkas, though it appears Tulkas isn't a huge amount behind in the strength department, if you consider the Dagor Dagoroth.

Well, it seems this thread is finished, and I'd have to say that I think Tulkas is the victor.