Originally posted by Psychotron
Because the Creeper could probably kill him with one shot?
If Batman is unaware of the Creeper. The Creeper could probably easily assassinate Batman with one of his bone blades. However, i think the same can be said for Batman. If these two are facing off, however, i think Batman has more than enough gadgets to keep the Creeper at bay. If comes down to closed quarters i still think Batman has the advantage. The Creeper may be stronger but Batman has the fighting awareness and is strapped with to many deadly weapons.
Originally posted by Silent Master
As HTH threats, yes...I can't think of a decent action or comic movie hero that they'd beat.
I only responded because you singled out, Nolans Batman specifically and i had to disagree because i think the villains he's faced are some of the most threatening enemies, especially when considering the context of their universe.
If you're referring to H2H only i'd still have to disagree when considering the league of shadows. The Creeper has displayed no H2H fighting abilities. His abilities are strength and regeneration. For as strong as he is he's still easily immobilized. Batmans blades can just as easily sever the Creepers limbs and head as easily as any other human.
Creeper can only heal so much, and I think by the second film only the actual creature (wings and claw-like body) has complete regenerative capabilities. The human body/host needs to be replaced with fresh parts if it's damaged too much. eg, when it ripped out a 3rd of its skull and needed to take a new head
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
If Batman is unaware of the Creeper. The Creeper could probably easily assassinate Batman with one of his bone blades. However, i think the same can be said for Batman. If these two are facing off, however, i think Batman has more than enough gadgets to keep the Creeper at bay. If comes down to closed quarters i still think Batman has the advantage. The Creeper may be stronger but Batman has the fighting awareness and is strapped with to many deadly weapons.
Batman has an edge in skill, but that won't save him against the Creeper's superior strength and damage soak. Hell, Batman was having a hard time against dogs.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Nothing you just stated changes the fact that based on feats, Baleman is one of the least formidable heroes to ever grace the screen, at least as it pertains to HTH combat.
You just have a biased against, Nolans Batman. Lacking or having super strength definitely changes the circumstances of H2H combat. The vast majority of on screen heroes rely almost completely on their super strength or super human abilities in aiding them in H2H. Very few rely on Super human abilities and skill. Take away these superhuman abilities and most of the heroes we've seen on the big screen over the years are as average as any pedestrian.
Originally posted by michaelx
Creepers solos. Batman can't overcome creepers' superhuman strength/durability with his skill.Creepers soloes batman and bane together.
Batman has more than enough weaponry equipped in his suit to stun the Creeper long enough to close in and unleash his arm blades for a decapitation. The creeper is durable in the sense that he can regenerate but, again, he has shown to be easily immobilized and stunned.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Batman has more than enough weaponry equipped in his suit to stun the Creeper long enough to close in and unleash his arm blades for a decapitation. The creeper is durable in the sense that he can regenerate but, again, he has shown to be easily immobilized and stunned.
Creepers can fly, is a lot faster than Batman in batsuit. He can just use battle axe/daggers to lop his head off. Bane who is nowhere near creeper's strength was able to break batman's back.
This incarnation of Batman has no chance.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
You just have a biased against, Nolans Batman. Lacking or having super strength definitely changes the circumstances of H2H combat. The vast majority of on screen heroes rely almost completely on their super strength or super human abilities in aiding them in H2H. Very few rely on Super human abilities and skill. Take away these superhuman abilities and most of the heroes we've seen on the big screen over the years are as average as any pedestrian.
Not true at all.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Not true at all.
Look, i hate to resort to this because i understand that a heroes super human ability gives them their credibility, however, one can't rightly compare Supermans H2H fighting skills to Batmans because, well, Superman has no H2H fighting skill without his Super-human abilities, at least you can't credit the skills that, Superman acquired over the years without acknowledging his his invulnerability. This falls upon most of the Superheroes we see in cinema. Spidermans fighting ability is contributed solely to his Spider sense, super human durability, strength and Pre-cog abilities. Batman, has none of these, He relies completely on what what the natural human potential is capable of and nothing more. He does utilize gadgets to help him exploit this potential, but it's used with great restraint.
Batman, is not a SUPERHERO, Batman is a hero. Batman doesn't use Superhuman abilities. So arguing a Superhumans fighting technique against how Batman fights is like arguing how an Olympian athlete would fair whislt competing against a super human.
Originally posted by michaelx
Creepers can fly, is a lot faster than Batman in batsuit. He can just use battle axe/daggers to lop his head off. Bane who is nowhere near creeper's strength was able to break batman's back.This incarnation of Batman has no chance.
I'm not arguing that, Batman can't be bested by the, Crepper, i'm simply saying that the, Creeper would be hard pressed to exhaust, Batmans best. Quite the contrary, i think the, Creeper can best the Batman, i just think, Batman is more capable of defeating the Creeper before that becomes a possibility.
If we're looking at film evidence at how easily the Creeper has been dispatched, there should be no question that, Batman doesn't have more than enough fighting knowledge and weapon capabilities in his arsenal to paralyze the Creeper. I think Using Bane is a poor example. For one, Batman wasn't using deadly force and Bane also spent decades studying Batmans fighting ability and techniques. Lest we forget, Batman did get the better of, Bane in their second match and this came when, Batman was STILL using restraint. The Creeper was completely immobilized by a car and shotgun rounds.
The Creeper can fly but he never displayed any kind of agility in flight form. Atleast not to the extent that convinces me that a few well placed batarangs wouldn't render him unconscious or flightless. The Creeper is nothing more than teeth and clwas. It still holds true that a mere farmer bested the, Creeper. Imagine if that farmer had a fraction of the fighting capabilities that, Batman has as well as the type of technology that Batman has access to. Batmans tech is years beyond the greatest military tech. The Creeper may have regeneration capabilities but his flesh is just as weak, if not weaker than human flesh...,this is, INFACT, why he needs to feast and find hosts every so many decades.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Look, i hate to resort to this because i understand that a heroes super human ability gives them their credibility, however, one can't rightly compare Supermans H2H fighting skills to Batmans because, well, Superman has no H2H fighting skill without his Super-human abilities, at least you can't credit the skills that, Superman acquired over the years without acknowledging his his invulnerability. This falls upon most of the Superheroes we see in cinema. Spidermans fighting ability is contributed solely to his Spider sense, super human durability, strength and Pre-cog abilities. Batman, has none of these, He relies completely on what what the natural human potential is capable of and nothing more. He does utilize gadgets to help him exploit this potential, but it's used with great restraint.Batman, is not a SUPERHERO, Batman is a hero. Batman doesn't use Superhuman abilities. So arguing a Superhumans fighting technique against how Batman fights is like arguing how an Olympian athlete would fair whislt competing against a super human.
Again, nothing you've stated changes the fact that Baleman is one of the least formidable heroes to ever grace the screen, at least as it pertains to HTH combat.