Luke's feats: manipulation of a black hole created by Dovin Basals of a vong vessel for defensive purposes against enemy firepower.
Era: NJO
Timeline: Before the events of confrontation with Lord Nyax (revealed earlier)
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In Impervious 's cockpit, Luke pointed toward the large vehicle.
"Get us closer."
"Yes, Master Skywalker."
"How's the missile telemetry coming through, Artoo?"
The little droid tootled confidently, spinning his head around to look at Luke.
A beep sounded from the droid, and Elegos glanced at a secondary monitor. "I have four torpedo launches. All are hot."
"Good."
Luke sank back into the chair and closed his eyes. He took a deep breath and reached out through the Force. He let his sense of things ride above the frayed ones' jagged profile and vectored in toward the vehicle.
He got no solid sense of it directly, though a few frayed ones did appear to be housed inside. Instead he used that emptiness as a way point to search out a void, and as it formed, the black hole blossomed fully in the Force.
The void that the vehicle's dovin basals created to intercept the missiles was a gravitic anomaly that had substance in the real world.
Tiny threads of the Force leaked into it as insects and birds, bats and bugs were pulled into it. Luke used their vanishing life traces and the very currents in the air that the void created to define the void. He traced its edges, knew exactly where it was, and knew how powerful it was.
He opened himself to the Force more fully than he had in years. He sought more power than he had when freeing his nephew. The Force flooded into him, at once molten-metal hot, yet as soothing as a cool rain. It swirled through him, filling every cell of his body, freeing him from fatigue, sharpening his mind.
Luke reached out with that power and latched onto the void that the Yuuzhan Vong vehicle had created. He pushed a bit, then tugged, in nanoseconds getting a feel for the power the dovin basals were able to exert to control the void. He almost smiled, since that amount of power was nothing compared to the Force, but he stopped himself short of pride in that fact.
"Artoo, juke the missiles."
R2-D2 keened sharply and fed the proton torpedoes a new set of data. The torpedoes twisted in flight and arced toward the sky, flying up and over the void. Then they turned again and fell toward the ground, aimed at the vehicle's spine.
Immediately the dovin basals started to shift the void to cover this new attack vector. Luke fed the Force into his hold on the void, thwarting them. Their pressure increased, and still Luke held it unmoving. The torpedoes got closer and closer. The dovin basals pulled harder, and when their effort reached a new peak, Luke let the void slip over toward intercepting the proton torpedoes.
The dovin basals devoted their efforts to sliding the void into place, which required both some lateral movement and shortening the arc over which the void would travel. As they brought it close to the vehicle, Luke pushed with the Force. Since the dovin basals were already tugging the void back toward the vehicle, they were not prepared to have the travel accelerated.
The void crashed into the vehicle, striking it in midspine. The long vehicle bent backward as both ends became sucked into the black hole. It flowed like thick liquid, all the sharp horns and bony plates becoming fluid as they curved up over the void's event horizon. In less than an eye blink the vehicle had been consumed by the void, leaving a huge gap in the Yuuzhan Vong formation.
Then the proton torpedoes detonated. One after another the four missiles slammed into the ground and exploded. Their blasts scattered Yuuzhan Vong warriors and lit the night. They gouged a huge canyon across the Yuuzhan Vong line of advance, and the shock waves were such that the ground rippled even into the refugee compound. Soldiers fell on both sides of the battlefield, and ramparts collapsed.
"What now, Master Skywalker?"
Luke stared at the Caamasi for a moment, trying to reply, but a wave of exhaustion crested over him and eroded his ability to think. He shook his head, then slumped back in the chair. The Force energy he had used to help the Yuuzhan Vong destroy themselves had drained out of him completely, leaving him limp and barely able to keep his eyes open.
Taken from (Star Wars: Dark Tide - Onslaught)
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OBSERVATIONS:
1. Dovin Basals of a vong vessel created a black hole to protect itself from the firepower of a Republic vessel (i.e. Proton Torpedoes)
2. Luke sat on a chair and opened himself to the Force on a level that he had not in a span of years before, he then concentrated on the Vong black hole and began to manipulate it.
3. A tug-of-war began between Luke and Dovin Basals to manipulate the positioning of the black hole which led to black hole making contact with the vessel itself.
4. The vong black hole destroyed the vong vessel and evaporated.
5. The feat exhausted Luke and he relaxed for a while to recover.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yes it kinda is since you, you know, can't feel the Vong through the force.
In-fact, the Strike Team utilized battle-meld talent to increase their effectiveness:
The strength of their meld was such that the three might have been sharing the same mind, and that mind was the Force itself.
In addition, Jacen had vongsense and connection with the World Brain and he managed to convince it to rebel and this really turned the tide of the battle before it even began.
During the confrontation with the Vong Elites, the World Brain began to shake the setting and the Jedi benefitted from this development.
Most importantly, Jacen send a lightsaber into Luke's hand after the latter had been cornered and trapped by Shimrra, giving Luke the opportunity to win.
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So much for the misrepresentation and wanking.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Interesting to actually see that dovil basin feat. Whats your evaluation of it, Legend?
Kyp Durron also have a similar showing:
Within the Force, within the broader range of senses it gave him, he tried to feel the presence of that void. He couldn't feel the Yuuzhan Vong or their creatures, but he could feel distortions in space, hard little nuggets of wrongness where there should be nothing.
He felt many of them, but didn't know which belonged to the interdictor, which to the coralskippers, and this rarefied sensory data didn't precisely translate to exact directions and distances. A void that felt far away could be from a coralskipper close at hand.
He armed a proton torpedo and fired it. He felt its physical presence as, in a matter of seconds, it closed the distance between him and the interdictor... and was swallowed by another void.
He felt it enter the void, felt which of the many singularities it was.
And he seized upon that void, directing all his Force abilities and discipline against it.
It was like using a thin metal rod to push a grounded landspeeder. Too much pressure and it would bend, becoming useless. Too little and nothing would happen. He had to find the right pressure to budge it, to set it into motion and keep it going that way...
For a moment, the only things in the universe were him, Jaina, and the void. He moved the void, turned it around, moved it back the other direction.
Then he was himself again, in the cockpit, watching the flank of the interdictor distort. The void had moved back and touched the interdictor, and now the interdictor elongated into it, extending what looked like a pliant extrusion of what he knew to be hardened yorik coral into the singularity.
The portions of the interdictor in closest proximity to the void accelerated faster into its maw so that portions farther back tore, venting gases into space. But the incredible gravity of the singularity didn't allow the remainder of the ship to tear away and be free. It dragged greater and greater portions of the interdictor into it, compressing them, rending them, and in a moment the interdictor was gone.
Kyp felt obliterated, bone-tired, as though he'd run for days, drawing on the Force to sustain him, and had finally settled down for rest. His diagnostics board was beeping at him and he spared it a glance.
Taken from (Enemy Lines - Rebel Dreams)
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It shall be noted that these are (not) real cosmic black holes. These are vong creations, for the purpose of defense of their vessels, and no match for the real thing.
The real cosmic black holes are so massive and powerful that it is difficult to comprehend their power.
People just casually throw around the word black hole as if Luke manipulated a real one.
Semantics really. A black hole is a singularity and that's what they generate. And even a "small" black hole is going to be more massive than a moon (and likely a planet but I can't bother to do the math).
These are easily the two most impressive feats of TK in the mythos. Way beyond TKing capital ships or knocking down temples.
Originally posted by ares834
Semantics really. A black hole is a singularity and that's what they generate. And even a "small" black hole is going to be more massive than a moon (and likely a planet but I can't bother to do the math).These are easily the two most impressive feats of TK in the mythos. Way beyond TKing capital ships or knocking down temples.
You surely need to do the math, it seems.
Space magic. Dovin Basals didn't merely create a singularity the could control and direct the gravitanial field as well. Using them they could fly around and direct gravity beams to move moons or strip shields off space ships.
Now I don't actually argue that Luke can use TK to move planets because real world physics and fiction. I do, however, realize that these two TK feats trump all others by a rather wide margin.
Originally posted by ares834
Space magic. Dovin Basals didn't merely create a singularity the could control and direct the gravitanial field as well. Using them they could fly around and direct gravity beams to move moons or strip shields off space ships.Now I don't actually argue that Luke can use TK to move planets because real world physics and fiction. I do, however, realize that these two TK feats trump all others by a rather wide margin.
The real black holes stay and expand if they consume matter. Even the smallest cosmic black holes are far bigger then our planet (even bigger then the Sun) and they are powerful enough to survive billions of years without consuming anything.
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As for the intensity of the feats in question; they can be performed by a powerful Force-user with proper concentration as apparent from the example of Kyp Durron.
However, their are other feats which can be comparably taxing or worse such as Luke exerted full power to telepathically convince workers in the ruins of the ancient Jedi Temple to leave the region before the structures would collapse. In-fact, Luke drew power from the nexus to augment his original strength to perform this action. This happened during a break in the ongoing confrontation with Lord Nyax.
However, among TK feats, I have not yet dug enough to figure out the most tedious TK feat of the mythos yet but I have heard of one in which a Jedi channeled sufficient power through him (not his own) to move several cruisers but he ended up dead from the exertion. I don't recall the details at the moment.
Some other TK feats also require tremendous exertion such as using the Force to collapse a building or move a large starship and these have happened. I believe that these feats would considerably tax Luke Skywalker and require his full concentration, should he try.
It's space magic. They are breaking countless laws of phyics. Also most black holes are smaller than Earth just far more massive, I assume though that is what you meant. Nor am I sure what this talk about "surviving" is... Are you implying that they can "die"?
And just because Durron was capable of performing said feat doesn't mean others could as well. Rather it just shows how powerful Kyp is and that he has the strongest TK alongside Luke...
Dorsk 81 was the Jedi who pushed away a fleet, but as you note, it was not on his own and therefor not as impressive.
Originally posted by ares834
It's space magic. They are breaking countless laws of phyics. Also most black holes are smaller than Earth just far more massive, I assume though that is what you meant. Nor am I sure what this talk about "surviving" is... Are you implying that they can "die"?
Cosmic black holes have two components: Singularity and Event Horizon. The former is the central component where all the matter is sucked into and the latter is the outer span of the black hole which facilitates in trapping matter. To give you the idea of mass of a cosmic black hole; its Singularity may have the diameter of New York City but its Event Horizon would cover 3 Suns. And this is a small black hole by cosmic standards.
To give you an idea, a real cosmic black hole would consume the entire fleet, planets, stars and vice versa. It have such a span.
Originally posted by ares834
And just because Durron was capable of performing said feat doesn't mean others could as well. Rather it just shows how powerful Kyp is and that he has the strongest TK alongside Luke...
Subjectivity would cloud your judgment.
Originally posted by ares834
Dorsk 81 was the Jedi who pushed away a fleet, but as you note, it was not on his own and therefor not as impressive.
An ally of Tulak revealed that he once brought down a starship the size of Endar Spire from the space into planet. Doesn't sounds like a feat that can be performed without tremendous effort.
Originally posted by ares834
Don't know why you keep talking about black holes when I know how they work, especially since you seem not to. For future refrence, a singularity would not have a diameter the size of New York or a diameter at all TBH.
Don't let the name fool you: a black hole is anything but empty space. Rather, it is a great amount of matter packed into a very small area - think of a star ten times more massive than the Sun squeezed into a sphere approximately the diameter of New York City. The result is a gravitational field so strong that nothing, not even light, can escape. In recent years, NASA instruments have painted a new picture of these strange objects that are, to many, the most fascinating objects in space.
The diameter of Event Horizon is easier to determine then singularity component itself due to the nature of the phenomenon.
Anyways, my position is that Vong black holes should not be regarded as same as real cosmic black holes.
Originally posted by ares834
Anyway, moving one still remains the best TK feat in the mythos so whatever.
As I pointed out earlier, if Luke had to move a starship, I don't think that he would find this task less stressful then his vong black hole manipulation feat.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
At the very least I think we can agree on two things:1) The dovin basals artificial black holes are NOT the same as the real thing.
2) Regardless, Luke being able to manipulate it as he did is a truly incredible feat.
Though Kyp Durron matched no. 2 so the feat isn't unique for Luke or can be used to hype him.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes, this is what I have been asserting. 👆Though Kyp Durron matched no. 2 so the feat isn't unique for Luke or can be used to hype him.
So a feat has to be uniquely attributed to a character to be used to "hype" him?
Arbitrary rules are arbitrary.
And selectively applied, apparently.