Darth Nox runs Sith Guantlet

Originally posted by AncientPower
Given Darth Nox is demonstratively one of the most accomplished Sorcerors of all time I'm not syre that it being a sorcery attack is a benefit here.

The knowledge of the Sith Empire includes actual texts/holocrons from the entire history of the old Sith Empire and it's knowledge. Not to mention full knowledge of Korriban, Malachor V, Malachor III, Ziost and planets all across Sith space and better yet the entirety of the Imperial Reclamation Service's vast system.

On max settings Nox gradually collapses before standing right back up and her spirits appear, signifying her resurrection by said spirits. Not to mention FX effects unique to the previous death. It is also telling that the Secret of the Darkest Stars quest states that Nox has died twice.

So is Zannah. And her attack seems well suited to affecting Nox, given her trauma as a slave and with the ghosts, probable insanity and the pressure of the ghosts who would undoubtedly help Zannah's efforts. That said, I just remembered something so I'll probably drop the point before someone else does as well.

Yeah, and how long has Nox had to study all of that? In the middle of a war? I doubt her knowledge is that extensive. Plus Nadd is stated to have knowledge of all force techniques, even those lost to others.

After checking, it loos like she just hunches over. I can't see her collapsing at all. Also the FX just looks like Nox tapping into the ghosts, not dying. When she resurrects at the start of Act II she just stands up normally. Also she died when the ghosts overloaded her?

Cutscenes are not gameplay mechanics.

Darth Nox has had months if not years, this is confirmed in SWTOR:E.

She collapses, I just finished Act 3 on max settings and she clearly dies before standing up immediately. The purple effects are the same as that which are displayed in the cutscene after her first death.

Edit: NVM, read your post wrong.

Yes it does, both of the times she dies are during cutscenes.

How can that be confirmed in Swtor:E? The thing only goes up to the end of the games release aka when Malgus dies. How can that take place years after Nox becomes a Dark Council member? 😬

YouTube video

8.40. I can't see shit about her collapsing. She rises into the air, gets dropped to the ground causing her to hunch a bit before straightening. No collapsing.

Oh sorry I meant Annihilation, there are considerable time leaps between act 3 and the content following it. Almost as if there are months between each major arc.

Hm strange, because I remember specifically that she glows purple and drops to her knees before she stands up and the eyes flash.

Plus Secret of the Darkest Stars makes specific note of two deaths.

Originally posted by AncientPower
They have to permanently kill her, meaning that her spirits must be incapacitated or destroyed, otherwise she ressurects.

Stops at 5.

This is my thread and the rules I use in it apply. Besides immortality is far from her only strength.

We transcend your rules.

This isn't really a guantlet in the first place, I am simply trying to place Darth Nox on an appropriate tier of power, with all of her bag of tricks and such included.

That's the point of a gauntlet, yeah. The weird rules are weird, though.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Oh sorry I meant Annihilation, there are considerable time leaps between act 3 and the content following it. Almost as if there are months between each major arc.

Hm strange, because I remember specifically that she glows purple and drops to her knees before she stands up and the eyes flash.

Plus Secret of the Darkest Stars makes specific note of two deaths.

That's fair but Nox didn't really appear in Annihilation so I'm not really sure how viable that is. The timeline somewhat escapes me tbh. Besides which, Nox has nothing that Thanaton didn't have and what they have is still lesser than Zannah's knowledge base and time to master it. A few years is nothing to a few decades.

It's possible Bioware tweaked the cutscene, but maybe you're just misremembering. It happens pretty quick and it's super hard to see.

I thought she died when she blew up at the end of Act 2, the ghosts mention it as I recall.

Also I wonder if anyone can guess what I remembered. Bet no-one will.

There appear to be significant events we here very little mention of in-game inbetween acts and they take between weeks and months. Oh and Thanaton didn't have quite the resources Nox had, he did not have the Reclamation Service so readily. Not to mention Darth Thanaton had very different goals.

Besides all that Jedi Shadows destroyed massive stores of knowledge that regardless of how large Bane's library was, was evidently destroyed. I mean even Sidious' store was from his own admission far from complete.

I did the act III ending last night.

Indeed she has died twice and been changed by the Mother Machine, this is referenced by the Secret of the Darkest Stars questline. She is a uniquely powerful Dark Lord and assuming Dark Side choices has now taken the steps to eternal life and youth.

Originally posted by AncientPower
There appear to be significant events we here very little mention of in-game inbetween acts and they take between weeks and months. Oh and Thanaton didn't have quite the resources Nox had, he did not have the Reclamation Service so readily. Not to mention Darth Thanaton had very different goals.

Besides all that Jedi Shadows destroyed massive stores of knowledge that regardless of how large Bane's library was, was evidently destroyed. I mean even Sidious' store was from his own admission far from complete.

I did the act III ending last night.

Indeed she has died twice and been changed by the Mother Machine, this is referenced by the Secret of the Darkest Stars questline. She is a uniquely powerful Dark Lord and assuming Dark Side choices has now taken the steps to eternal life and youth.

Ok, that's all fair. But I'm still not seeing Nox having the same grasp of sorcery and darkside knowledge that Zannah does though.

Bane and Zannah's knowledge comes directly from the sources themselves, not any libraries or stores of knowledge. Revan, Nadd and Belia Darzu's (and Andeddu's?) holocrons were all theirs to peruse. I remind you that Nadd was said to possess knowledge of all force techniques.

Naturally this source is unlikely to be accurate with regards to info he literally couldn't possess, like techniques created within Vitiate's Empire or after his death. But other than that his info should surpass what Nox has access to significantly.

Well, I don't know what to say mate, the video is right there. 😖hrug:

Yeah, Nox is definitely one of the most OP characters in Star Wars and one of the most successful Sith Lords ever. Its only a few people with specific skills available to them who can beat her really.

I would say their knowledge probably balances out, missing pieces of a whole as it were. Eh i found a pretty big loophole concerning the TOTJ Companion in that it ignores the fact Nadd lost a shit ton of knowledge in his return to Onderon.

They are both master sorcerors, though I would say Nox seems to have more raw power if not significantly more and much greater displays with sorcery itself.

I would guess Bioware edited the scenes because of how much 2.9/3.0 redesigned a ton of the ability FX in-game.

What I was hoping we can concur on, Nox really seems to have played it all exceptionally well. If she isn't the most powerful in the current Empire already I'd be surprised.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I would say their knowledge probably balances out, missing pieces of a whole as it were. Eh i found a pretty big loophole concerning the TOTJ Companion in that it ignores the fact Nadd lost a shit ton of knowledge in his return to Onderon.

They are both master sorcerors, though I would say Nox seems to have more raw power if not significantly more and much greater displays with sorcery itself.

I would guess Bioware edited the scenes because of how much 2.9/3.0 redesigned a ton of the ability FX in-game.

What I was hoping we can concur on, Nox really seems to have played it all exceptionally well. If she isn't the most powerful in the current Empire already I'd be surprised.

Wouldn't be still know it himself though? And thus still be able to record it in his holocron on Onderon? Besides which is Revan. I highly doubt Nox is more knowledgeable than him myself.

That's your opinion I guess. I personally see Zannah as having more power but that's just crazy old me. And tbh Nox doesn't really use sorcery that much outside of rituals. Not much in the way of combat displays iirc.

Yeah, we'd need to see a recent video though to compare.

👆 I'm still amazed that ares can put Marr above Nox, considering how immensely powerful she is and her feats in comparison to him getting clowned by Revan. Nox has an incredible will to power that's lead her to being an amazingly skilled, unnaturally powerful Sith who treats even dudes like Thanaton like fodder and is on the cusp of immortality and invincibility. Nox is underrated imo.

Well I won't ruin a nice ending to a nice debate so I'll simply tip my hat and say good day.

You think pretty much every TOR character is underrated TBH. As for Marr, true he doesn't have the feats to compare but the fact that he is ruining the Empire suggests his superiority.