Caedus, Malgus and Starkiller vs. Exar Kun, Revan, HoT and Satele

A weakened Vitiate is still one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time and has far greater displays of for example, Force lightning than Caedus has ever shown and yet HoT tanked it and multiple FLS and killed him.

Exar Kun has far greater feats/accolades in lightsaber combat than Kyle Katarn has and not to mention is magnitudes more powerful in the Force.

Darth Malgus' 'feats' in False Emperor are glorified game mechanics. The Annihilation description simply stated that he was overwhelmed with grenades and force attacks and knocked into the shaft of the station.

Once again you have ignored that Satele was a Jedi Knight and was far before her prime in their last engagement. Since the Ambush on Alderaan she has displayed feats in Fatal Alliance that put her on a much higher tier.

The fight against Dark Revan was hinged on the use of her Battle Meditation.

Oh and Exar Kun and Revan are both solidly above Darth Malgus and Starkiller in Force Power and likely lightsaber skill.

Dark Revan alone is considered a tier above Darth Malgus, a full strength Revan is likely twice as much.

Exar Kun is one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time and like Darth Caedus has been touted above Darth Vader.

Starkiller has only ever barely defeated Darth Vader in combat but only due to over use of Vader's weakness in Force Lightning.

Meanwhile he's only defeated a distracted Rahm Kota.

Barely killed Kazdan Paratus.

Been dominated in combat by Shaak Ti someone a tier or two below even Vader.

Only just defeated Maris Brood and her Bull Rancor.

Then he defeats Vader by a slim margin and afterward via dying and becoming one with the Force barely managed to Tutaminis Sidious' lightning which killed him anyway.

Both Exar Kun and Revan are demonstratively above all but Darth Caedus.

Hero of Tython managed to kill the Voice of the Emperor, a being much much more powerful than Emperor Malgus, HoT > Malgus. Hero of Tython has tanked far greater Force Lightning and FLS attacks than Starkiller has ever dished out.

Then they are being amplified by Battle Meditation by their fourth member.

Caedus can't carry this one.

A weakened Vitiate is still one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time and has far greater displays of for example, Force lightning than Caedus has ever shown and yet HoT tanked it and multiple FLS and killed him.

Exar Kun has far greater feats/accolades in lightsaber combat than Kyle Katarn has and not to mention is magnitudes more powerful in the Force

I never denied beating Vitiate was a good feat, but the fact is he was weakened and in terms of feats Caedus is superior to the Hero. Fighting evenly with Luke is a superior feat in any regard to fighting the most powerful Sith of his day while he was not at full power, not to mention Caedus outclasses Hero as a swordsman (beating Mara Jade, beating Kyle Katarn, beating 3 Jedi at once, fighting evenly with an amped Jaina while injured) are all monumentally more notable feats of skill than Hero beating featless individuals. As a force user he is superior as well Hero has ragdolled a weakened Vitiate, Caedus has telekinetically destroyed Beskar, effortlessly moved Y wing ships, moving 40 meter ships, absorbing turbolaser fire, blasting away the rubble of tunnels while injured, as well as sending Mara Jade and Saba Sebatyne flying. Hero is nowhere near as skilled.

Yeah, there is no argument Kun is superior to Kyle, but physically they're quite similar apart from Kun's superior physical strength and possibly durability.

Not sure what else you're trying to argue, I already stated Revan is superior to Starkiller and Malgus. But it isn't by bounds and even if he did beat them it would be with great effort on his part. Both of them are comparably powerful and Malgus rivals him skillfully as well, Revan just has more varied force abilities and an answer to everything Malgus has offensively. In skill they're more or less even as duelists

Satele doesn't compete with them at all, there is no evidence she increased in skill as a duelist at all. She's inferior in all aspects to Malgus and Starkiller, and again Hero has already been dominated by Malgus. He can replicate his performance and with a guy that can disintegrate frigates, Hero and Satele are virtually outclassed.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Kind of hard to stomp someone when you have one of Revan, Exar Kun or Hero of Tython kicking your ass via the Battle Meditation of said someone.

Not to mention Kun & Revan > Starkiller and Malgus, then they have Hero of Tython for back-up as well. The only chance Team 1 has is Darth Caedus and he's facing some of the greatest ever in the mythos all amped by Battle Meditation.

I've mentionned that !
Darth Revan is the Cadeus of his time......
Ad in the same time some kind of Dark yoda....
Revan is the only one who have explored the entire galaxy in record time ! Absorbing knowledge discovering artifact at a kizaru speed.... Through that he master more techniques than cadeus... O.K more basic (for someone of his level...) But all devlopped at their enhanced degree.. The problem for Revan his to be able to keep his performance, intact he have no real foes that can pose him a real challenge, and excelle in every domain is not something very easy... Even for plagueis being good at the using of the force while being good at the light saber was a real problem....

It cause to Revan to over relie on form 0 and do his lazy guy....

For malgus.. Some of those game mechanic have a background.. Rage provide him a super tutaminis, and a greater lightning capability that reach Bane one rather than Dooku one.

In the trailer he didn't moove when he take rocket shot right in the face. Malgus is a freekin tank, but in rage mode don't really hope to take him down XD.
A lot of grenade and for push where needed....

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Overall, team 2 has an advantage and if we are matching characters, HoTvMalgus is a fight that could go both ways and Kun+Satele can AT LEAST hold off Caedus while Revan kills Starkiller. After that point its 4 on 2.

I didnt even mean to bump this

Seemed like an interesting thread nonetheless.

Originally posted by Sinious
Seemed like an interesting thread nonetheless.

it might break into:

Caedus vs. Revan

Malgus vs. Kun

and Starkiller vs. HoT and Satele

Team 2.

Starkiller wouldn't beat Hero and Satele at once.

With Battle Meditation, everyone on team 2 surpasses everyone on team 1 imo.

Satele's the weak link here in terms of dueling skills, but I'd still give this to team 2 even if she doesn't use her BM.

Originally posted by Stigma
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it might break into:

Caedus vs. Revan

Malgus vs. Kun

and Starkiller vs. HoT and Satele

I think the advantage in numbers would be used against Caedus and if anyone's gonna face Caedus alone it should be Kun cause he is less vulnerable to Caedus' melee combat capabilities compared to Revan.

So as I said before,

Satele+Kun vs Caedus

Revan vs Starkiller

HoT vs Malgus would be a better matchup.

Team2...

Learn English already

Originally posted by AncientPower
Satele BM amps her team, game over.

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Ah I forgot he can do that

So did I, yeah Caedus carries here.

Team 2