Batgirl vs Elektra

Originally posted by carver9
Did H1 provide proof of this?

Of course not, he just said it was the only thing that made sense.

To him.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Of course not, he just said it was the only thing that made sense.

So H1 is just talking because he doesn't like what happened?

Originally posted by carver9
So H1 is just talking because he doesn't like what happened?

Basically.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm also fairly sure that the RS was firing a revolver, IOW it only holds 6 bullets and RS was shown firing another 3 shots after Cap blocked the first three.

So, h1 is actually claiming that the first 3 bullets missed, RS fired 3 more shots and then reloaded, all off-panel.

I argued that he didn't fire another 3 shots and that the art wasn't conclusive of bullets.

Anyway let's assume RS fired another 3 shots.

What's more wrong,
1. RS firing 2 shots before the first one hit. Making the speed of gravity faster than a bullet.
2. Or More than 6 shots was fired due to writer miscounting or the gun being capable of it.

Somebody have that scan? I recall something fishy about that scene as well.

Originally posted by h1a8
I still argue that cap didn't outrun bullets.

Red skull can't squeeze off the last 2 shots before the first hits it's target from less than 100 feet away. The hammer accelerates forward at the rate of gravity. This isn't fast enough to get off another shot before the first hits it's target.

Don't guns have spring loaded hammers, so it wouldn't be at the rate of gravity, but faster?

Anyway, make your own minds up:

Dark beat me to the punch.

Carver, why you so slow?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver, why you so slow?

What do you mean? I didn't post anything. What did you get from that scene?

That whole scene don't make sense. But it appears Cap has supersonic speed or the artist is a dumbfu*ck.

Originally posted by carver9
What do you mean? I didn't post anything. What did you get from that scene?

That Cap can outreact bullets.

The alternative is that somehow Skully missed an open target no more than 100 feet away.

Well if you look where his gun is aimed he looks like he would have missed anyway.

That's where the hand ended up. But when it was firing, it would have been on point.

At that distance the first bullet would have hit the target before he pulled the trigger the 2nd time. And Cap was still standing by Skull when he fired the 3rd bullet indicating to me that Cap has supersonic level speed.

even if THAT scene is assumed to show supersonic speed, it doesn't matter in the least. cap does not have supersonic speed. 50 years of comics tells us that. so, who cares how the scene is interpreted? :/

WEll, one thing you must remember is that these writers and artists aren't doing books for us. For battleboard feats. They're not going 'oh, Silent Master on the KMC forums needs something to show how fast Cap is for his respect thread, I'd better do a feat and make sure it stands up to scrutiny'.

No.

The idea is to show that Skull fired, and Cap heroically saved him. Anything else, and the whole medium unravels. I could sit here and ask, well, how do people like Quicksilver move at those speeds without eating constantly? Even allowing for a greater inefficiency, he would still need to consume XYZ amount of burgers....how EXACTLY does a radioactive spider give you super powers? How does Batman manage to fit all his activities in 24 hours? Etc etc.

Originally posted by leonidas
even if THAT scene is assumed to show supersonic speed, it doesn't matter in the least. cap does not have supersonic speed. 50 years of comics tells us that. so, who cares how the scene is interpreted? :/

Well, it happened and it is a speed ft for Cap just like any other ft would be for the characters here.