Interesting Presidential Trip
So apparently none of Obama Administration could make it to France after the violent rampage, but they can make it to Saudi..I find this deeply disturbing in many ways. I know everyone here will bounce all over this and say "well this is the reason." However before you do. Think about this for a minute. Then respond.
It's deeply disturbing.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/25/obama-closes-anwr-enroute-to-saudi-arabia/
If I were president, I don't think I would travel much. I think I would visit poor neighborhoods and schools. I would visit areas dense with homelessness. That's probably because I think the President of the United States has a much bigger duty to the American people and not foreign nations. For the France attack, I would have my office send a care package to the families affected and make a public speech about the sorrow I felt for our French allies going through a tough time. I would then remind the US that France was there for us during our major terror event (9/11) and extend an intelligence offer to France (this would be for show because France does not need to learn how to collect terrorist cell information because they already know how to do that but it is the public gesture that is important).
I most certainly wouldn't be visiting Saudi Arabia. And I DEFINITELY wouldn't take another vacation to play golf.
Originally posted by dadudemon
If I were president, I don't think I would travel much. I think I would visit poor neighborhoods and schools. I would visit areas dense with homelessness. That's probably because I think the President of the United States has a much bigger duty to the American people and not foreign nations. For the France attack, I would have my office send a care package to the families affected and make a public speech about the sorrow I felt for our French allies going through a tough time. I would then remind the US that France was there for us during our major terror event (9/11) and extend an intelligence offer to France (this would be for show because France does not need to learn how to collect terrorist cell information because they already know how to do that but it is the public gesture that is important).I most certainly wouldn't be visiting Saudi Arabia. And I DEFINITELY wouldn't take another vacation to play golf.
It takes an hour at most to prepare for a game of golf, and there are courses literally everywhere these days.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Dat geopolitical stability, man. Makes the world go round. You don't want our gas prices to go higher, do you?
This is where Obama has you fooled. He didn't do anything to lower has prices. Saudi has been over producing oil in mass quantities to force US oil business out of business. They are doing this to hurt US, cheaper at the pump does not mean anything but a fools short sighted dream of "man I remeber these has prices when I was younger!"
Play now. Pay later.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I feel like Obama shouldn't need to take vacations to play golf.It takes an hour at most to prepare for a game of golf, and there are courses literally everywhere these days.
Considering this prediceny has cost the tax payers more money for his personal vacations and golf trips, I don't see it stopping till he loses his FDIC credit card in 2017.
Also interesting to see how this administration is all about protecting and observing other people's cultures and traditions.
Except the leader of the free world wife refuses to respect the country's traditions in which they are visiting.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/01/28/make-no-mistake-michelle-obama-just-made-a-bold-political-statement-in-saudi-arabia/
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Also interesting to see how this administration is all about protecting and observing other people's cultures and traditions.Except the leader of the free world wife refuses to respect the country's traditions in which they are visiting.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/01/28/make-no-mistake-michelle-obama-just-made-a-bold-political-statement-in-saudi-arabia/
Good. It's a tradition that deserves no respect.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory👆 I hope a thousand Saudi politicians committed suicide after seeing her.
Good. It's a tradition that deserves no respect.
Anyway, I couldn't give a shit about Obama snubbing the march in France- attending it would have been beneath us anyway -but the visit to Saudi Arabia bugs me too, only because Saudi culture is whack af and America bro'ing it up with them contradicts every human rights principle we represent.
One can only hope that Obama's true goal for going over there was to take their new leader into a back room and let him know that shit's gotta change. I doubt it though.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
👆 I hope a thousand Saudi politicians committed suicide after seeing her.Anyway, I couldn't give a shit about Obama snubbing the march in France- attending it would have been beneath us anyway -but the visit to Saudi Arabia bugs me too, only because Saudi culture is whack af and America bro'ing it up with them contradicts every human rights principle we represent.
One can only hope that Obama's true goal for going over there was to take their new leader into a back room and let him know that shit's gotta change. I doubt it though.
Everytime Obama has gone over there before he has done a low bow to the King. It's odd that he does a deep bow to them while Michelle disregards their culture. It's like they are on different pages sending different messages. The only thing we went over there for is PR. Nothing is going to change for anyone on either side.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Everytime Obama has gone over there before he has done a low bow to the King. It's odd that he does a deep bow to them while Michelle disregards their culture. It's like they are on different pages sending different messages. The only thing we went over there for is PR. Nothing is going to change for anyone on either side.
Don't act like you wouldn't be complaining if she HAD worn the headscarf.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Maybe because one is a silly tradition that doesn't do much harm while the other is a silly tradition that unfairly limits the potential and inconveniences half of the society's population?Don't act like you wouldn't be complaining if she HAD worn the headscarf.
Sends the wrong message to be bowing to a foreign power. I wouldn't care less if Michelle had worn something.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Sends the wrong message to be bowing to a foreign power. I wouldn't care less if Michelle had worn something.
Wait, so you admit that your complaint is pointless then?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Bowing to a foreign head of state if bowing is a custom for the office of that head of state is a diplomatic norm. It sends the message that Obama is polite.Wait, so you admit that your complaint is pointless then?
I'd be okay with observing their customs if they observed mine. My greeting custom of respect is bumping knuckles. Seriously. I only do that with people I either respect or like.
So I would bow to him but I would have sent directions ahead indicating that I would be greatly offended if the King did not greet me with something that made me comfortable. If he refused, I would say that he has highly insulted me because you NEVER leave a bro hanging like that.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Bowing to a foreign head of state if bowing is a custom for the office of that head of state is a diplomatic norm. It sends the message that Obama is polite.Wait, so you admit that your complaint is pointless then?
Obama almost gets on his knees in his bows to the King. There is difference then a polite gesture and being submissive. Quit being a smartass. We merely having a discussion.
For as much as Obama has been inpolite to many other heads of state and acts Superior, bowing to the King seems odd. Does he see himself below the King but above other heads of states? Since the official title of the King of Saudi Arabia is "The Protector of Mecca and Medina" and since Obama is a Muslim he would be submissive to him but not submissive to any other head of state.