Originally posted by riv6672
Thats kind of hard to do, but i guess it'd work....
Well, yeah, the difference between conscious decisions and unconscious ones is extremely iffy and it might not hold water from a neurological perspective. It just sounds silly to say being lucky is making good choices, but that could be an alternate definition I guess.
One day...years ago, I found myself dead broke.
I simply needed $2.50 for a bus ticket to get to work...once there I would've made money.
Tore the house apart looking for loose change. Nothing.
I decided to walk to the local shopping mall, where the bus stop was & hoped I run into someone I knew, who I could borrow the $2.50 from.
No one. Not even a familiar shop assistant that I could embarrassingly ask.
The only option I had was to call work, reverse-charge & say I couldn't make it in. I was seriously in a predicament of losing my job because I didn't have $2.50 to get to work.
The bus pulled up...I looked down on the ground. I was standing on a $20 note.
The bus driver didn't have change to break it & let me on for free.
Lady Luck?
God intervening?
Just being at the right place at the right time?
I guess I'll never know.
Supposedly this is the world as seen without God. But still an aspect of luck is felt to exist.
Ecclesiastes 9:11-12 “I have seen something else under the sun: The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise or wealth to the brilliant or favor to the learned; but time and chance happen to them all. Moreover, no man knows when his hour will come: As fish are caught in a cruel net, or birds are taken in a snare, so men are trapped by evil times that fall unexpectedly upon them.”
I'm not great at translating bible verses, just going by what the site i ran across said.
I suppose you can infer some luck talk in the above. I look at it more as a fancy way of saying shit happens...
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Sorry but I'm a firm believer that if God exists....HE DOES NOT NEED TO WORK IN "MYSTERIOUS WAYS."
I don't think He "needs" to work in "mysterious ways". People claim that He just does.
By forbidding God to act in the way he wants, mysterious or not, you'd be limiting to your narrow perspective. That is more or less what they mean by that coined phrase.
^^^God doesnt care how we think he should act anymore than we care what ants think of us. 🙄 @quoted poster.
Originally posted by Bentley
I did post about luck regarding a very christian perspective from the old testament but it didn't spark much conversation from actual believers. A shame since it's interesting to see how we picture random happenings in a world that has a divine touch to it.
Originally posted by Bentley
I don't think He "needs" to work in "mysterious ways". People claim that He just does.By forbidding God to act in the way he wants, mysterious or not, you'd be limiting to your narrow perspective. That is more or less what they mean by that coined phrase.
Whether I'm limiting my narrow perspective...I'm not the one claiming to know how God works.
I'm just saying it's like signing a contract & then realising the finer print HAS an even more finer print...
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Whether I'm limiting my narrow perspective...I'm not the one claiming to know how God works.
Again, claiming He works in mysterious ways is more or less admitting they don't know how He works. They are not claiming God can't work in clear and obvious ways either.
Part of the issue is that they can't make any statement about God without somewhat limiting His/Her scope, assuming you can describe anything about God with language is a limitation on and by itself.
Originally posted by Bentley
Again, claiming He works in mysterious ways is more or less admitting they don't know how He works. They are not claiming God can't work in clear and obvious ways either.Part of the issue is that they can't make any statement about God without somewhat limiting His/Her scope, assuming you can describe anything about God with language is a limitation on and by itself.
Thus no proof of his existence at all.
Originally posted by riv6672
Dang it Bentley, stop making the ignore feature moot! 😛Dyajeep's blessed comment, where do you stand on that?
Well, it adds a layer of complexity to an already complex issue if you ask me. Take away the randomness of what we call luck and blessings remain a difficult thing to account for. Is a blessing something recognized after the fact or a ritual/action that is done before events happen and affect the outcome of certain projects?
The notion of divine providence existed back in the ancient testament, there were rites that included dices as a way to determinate the will of God in a particular issue. This would suggest that abrahamic religions admit there is a serious relationship between seemingly random events and God.
Originally posted by Bentley
Well, it adds a layer of complexity to an already complex issue if you ask me. Take away the randomness of what we call luck and blessings remain a difficult thing to account for. Is a blessing something recognized after the fact or a ritual/action that is done before events happen and affect the outcome of certain projects?The notion of divine providence existed back in the ancient testament, there were rites that included dices as a way to determinate the will of God in a particular issue. This would suggest that abrahamic religions admit there is a serious relationship between seemingly random events and God.