Before?
You had no support regarding whether the ritual multiplied power or not (I've certainly seen no secondary canon suggesting the ritual magnified their powers. His narration hardly implied it either)
Hence the inference that you were appealing to CoE given his later displays never matched the Force Storm energy again
Yet?
You're more than happy to work off the Rakata Temple not being slagged from Turbolaser bolts despite the fact the omnidirectional release of energy from a full powered bolt on impact (as seen on Taris from earlier tech) should have covered hundreds of kilometers.
I'm fine with disregarding the principle, given it's bunk in fiction, but selectively doing it is just as bad
Originally posted by The Merchant
But I assumed that the Rakata Temple on Lehon was just durable enough to absorb the majority of the Turbolasers bolts. Sort of like how in DBZ we assume that every blast can bust a planet but the character's durability absorbs most of it reducing the blast by many order of magnitudes.
That's what you're assuming
And given where it hit, it would absorb a good chunk of it upon initial expansion
Still, at least 50% of the energy will always expand away from the temple, given its omnidirectional
The Dragon Ball example only serves to illustrate my point
We already ignore CoE
If you're going to do so, you can't selectively do it
There is no justification, selectively doing it will not paint a consistent picture.
Let me restate, I have no issues using the Turbolaser example. I've said **** it to CoE for a while now. I just do it across the board to be consistent.
1. Darth Sidious
2. Emperor Vitiate
3. Darth Caedus
4. Darth Plaeugis
5. Exar Kun
6. Dark Side Revan (Shadow of Revan)
7. Darth Nihilus
8. Darth Tenebrous
9. Tulak Hord
10. Marka Ragnos?
Other Number 10 Canidates: Darth Vader, Darth Bane, Darth Zannah, Darth Krayt, Emperor's Wrath, Darth Nox, Darth Malgus, Darth Jadus and Freedon Nadd
1. Darth Sidious
2. Emperor Vitiate
3. Darth Caedus
4. Darth Plaeugis
👆
5. Exar Kun
Fair.
6. Dark Side Revan (Shadow of Revan)
Not sure I would consider Revan a Sith at this point, but O.K.
8. Darth Tenebrous
👆 I approve of his mention, if not his placement.
Other Number 10 Canidates: Darth Vader, Krayt, Darth Malgus, and Freedon Nadd
Yeah, I was also wondering where these guys were.
Originally posted by Sinious
Like I said above, Nox' and Kyp Durron's possessed showings prove that random sith won't give you the same amount of power a great sith spirit like Kun will. Those spirits may have some impressive backstories but they're nowhere near Exar Kun.
Random Sith? Nox didn't possess random Sith; random Sith do not transform into ghosts after death.
Those spirits "may have" some impressive backstories? They "actually have." The individuals are not as strong as Exar Kun but they are quality individuals nonetheless, and a force to be reckoned with in the form of a Strike Team.
I told you before that a single Force ghost is a powerful manifestation of the Force. A group of them mortally wounded Darth Sidious in a confrontation. Try to comprehend.
Also, an unwilling ghost proves to be the source of greater power then a willing one. You have played SI story 3 times, right?
Originally posted by Sinious
I'll take a look, thanks.
Originally posted by Sinious
What I meant is, you don't have to be a tier above Darth Plagueis to give Darth Sidious a decent fight.
Originally posted by Sinious
You're referring to the SI progression video right? I'm not even sure if that's canon but even if it is, 3 random jedi from a gameplay trailer video can't be compared to the Windu's B-team and Tol Braga's strike team.
And Windu's B-Team is noted for its martial competence, not power. Darth Nox stomped a Jedi Strike Team with his sheer Force abilities.
Originally posted by Sinious
Nox isn't "immortal" lmao. Sidious has essence transfer in his pocket. His lightning is superior to him and he is faster than him. Sidious has the upper hand in every category of the force and he outclasses Nox in dueling.
Originally posted by Sinious
You can keep making assumptions and talk about how you view the character but Nox needed help to defeat Revan where Sidious' ROTS incarnation stalemated Yoda. 👆
We don't know exactly who confronted Revan on Yavin IV from among the PC.
Originally posted by Sinious
No offense but that should tell you something since you haven't played it at all. 🙂
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Exar Kun's spirit have special properties?Random Sith? Nox didn't possess random Sith; random Sith do not transform into ghosts after death.
Those spirits "may have" some impressive backstories? They "actually have." The individuals are not as strong as Exar Kun but they are quality individuals nonetheless, and a force to be reckoned with in the form of a Strike Team.
I told you before that a single Force ghost is a powerful manifestation of the Force. A group of them mortally wounded Darth Sidious in a confrontation. Try to comprehend.
Also, an unwilling ghost proves to be the source of greater power then a willing one. You have played SI story 3 times, right?
But again, we don't know how powerful the ghosts are exactly and the best clue we'll get is from Nox' usage of the force. From what I see, Nox is a top tier Dark Council member. Nothing more, nothing less. I still think Wrath is his equal or perhaps even superior and HoT is definitely Nox' superior.
I haven't played the Sith Inquisitor story yet so I cannot comment on the quality of the Jedi involved, but single-handedly stomping a Jedi Strike Team is a grand showing of power in Star Wars by character's standards.
There is literally no info on the jedi in the video but like you said, its still impressive.
And Windu's B-Team is noted for its martial competence, not power. Darth Nox stomped a Jedi Strike Team with his sheer Force abilities.
And Sidious didn't overwhelm them with his power. He approached them in melee combat so its still more impressive than Nox' feat.
Darth Nox is virtually immortal; he apparently cannot be killed while he draws on the power of multiple ghosts to fuel his own. Darth Thanaton unleashed a sorcery-oriented vortex of destruction on him and Darth Nox tanked it all.
Sidious can slowly overwhelm him in the force or simply engage him in close combat and chop his head off. Nox won't be coming back after he gets decapitated.
Can you prove that it was Darth Nox who confronted Revan?We don't know exactly who confronted Revan on Yavin IV from among the PC.
Hmm this isn't a clear one for me as well. I'm trying to figure out the best way to understand who faced Malgus and Revan these days so I won't make more arguments about this for now.
I will be in a better position to debate in favor of Darth Nox, if I play his story. And I will one day.
Or perhaps when you play the game, you'll have a different opinion. 🙂
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I just don't see neither Caedus beating the guys on Tier 1, nor Krayt beating those in Tier 2.
I would remove Plagueis from tier 1 then. I know you have possibly in parenthesis, but Caedus could and would beat Plagueis for a majority.
Apocalypse Krayt was compared to Luke, Reborn Krayt trashed Cade effortlessly. I understand some wouldn't have him as high as I do, but he is at least Dooku/Vader level.