Invincible vs The Ray

Originally posted by abhilegend
TBH superman was mindcontrolled. Eclipsed superman blitzed the shit out of Lobo.

Eclipso Superman was Supesperman possessed by Eclipso, by extension thats an all out or bloodlusted Superman. I'd expect him to blitz the shit out of Lobo all out. My point was that Lobo could move quick enought to get the uperhand on Supes briefly. Obviously it was an attack Supes want prepared for but still thatnis the default condition of most forum fights isn't it?? I mean an impromptu encounter. So that would mean that invincible starts as well prepared. Unless Invinvible be default is always at a faster state, in a greater state of readiness for battle or has greater reflexes.

Lobo isnt on Superman'Superman's speed level (which I thought I stated in the post), but can attack fast enough and with enough ferocity to get the battle rolling in his favor when his adversary isnt prepared. In no way was I trying to say Lobo is faster than Supes because he isnt, but superman isnt always using his speed to its full either almost noone but Flash does. I cant see why the same reasons that Lobo can make a good battle with Superman, or Jonn cant apply here.

Originally posted by "Id"
Incincible vs Lobo is the equivalent of Rey Mysterio vs Undertaker

Originally posted by leonidas
^ lol or maybe vader in his day. 👆

You guys give geeks a bad name.

😉

You too golgo

😛

Superman was also being manipulated by Eradicator when he one shot KOed Maxima.

Eradicator was basically trying to brainwash him into becoming like Byrne style Kryptonians, which meant emotionless, devoid of compassion, xenophobic, and basically a Kryptonian supremacist.

More or less, he was a lot like Eradicator post Return of Superman.

Yes, he wasn't himself, but if anything he should have been holding back much less then usual.

Originally posted by cdtm
Superman was also being manipulated by Eradicator when he one shot KOed Maxima.

Eradicator was basically trying to brainwash him into becoming like Byrne style Kryptonians, which meant emotionless, devoid of compassion, xenophobic, and basically a Kryptonian supremacist.

More or less, he was a lot like Eradicator post Return of Superman.

Yes, he wasn't himself, but if anything he should have been holding back much less then usual.

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Superman treated Lobo like a joke in AOS annual 2, LEGION annual 1 and LEGION 65 and absolutely thrashed him in DC 1st written by his own creator. Lobo doesn't have a good record against Superman.

They hardly mixed it up in the L.E.G.I.O.N/Superman crossover. Don't get me wrong, Superman dropping Lobo into the ocean and saying "What, you can't swim? Guess you're not as good as I'd heard" was great, but Supes spent most of that story avoiding an extended fight. Sort of like Hulk shoving Juggernaut away in WWH/Xmen.

DC first I'll give you, but Lobo still came off like a damage sponge. "I'm healing faster then you're hurting me!"

The beatdown from drunk Lobo, and the one from Eclised Superman represent two sides of an extreme, with the average being both duking it out forever, which is how your letter column scan put it.

So yeah, not a single person has provided any speed feats for Lobo to show he can tag Invincible. So how the hell is Lobo beating the guy again?

Don't bring up anything to do with Lobo and Supes, Supes has shown he can casually blitz the guy when he wants, so it's quite pointless to mention anything with him. It doesn't tell us anything about his speed, he sure as hell isn't anywhere near Superman, and the only way he could ever get ahold of Superman using his speed would be if Superman was using the utter bare minimum of speed.

Don't get me wrong, the guy has at least caught bullets in his teeth, but that is child's play here.

Likewise, mentioning anything with Lobo as a "toonforcer" is problematic. Sometimes he has toon force type shenanigans, and other times the dude is getting KO'ed by Superman, which ain't toon forcing, or anywhere close. The Lobo I normally think of is the one who fought Superman multiple times, and that version just plain can't beat a Viltruumite. I like Lobo, and they certainly couldn't outright kill him because of his healing, but he'd have no way at all of ever landing a hit on this person.

Originally posted by cdtm
They hardly mixed it up in the L.E.G.I.O.N/Superman crossover. Don't get me wrong, Superman dropping Lobo into the ocean and saying "What, you can't swim? Guess you're not as good as I'd heard" was great, but Supes spent most of that story avoiding an extended fight. Sort of like Hulk shoving Juggernaut away in WWH/Xmen.

DC first I'll give you, but Lobo still came off like a damage sponge. "I'm healing faster then you're hurting me!"

The beatdown from drunk Lobo, and the one from Eclised Superman represent two sides of an extreme, with the average being both duking it out forever, which is how your letter column scan put it.

And then it was LEGION 65 where superman looked in a totally different league from him.

Except that the letters page explains why Lobo was able to beat Superman. Eclipsed superman later KTFO Lobo with a single punch too.

Originally posted by cdtm
Superman was also being manipulated by Eradicator when he one shot KOed Maxima.

Eradicator was basically trying to brainwash him into becoming like Byrne style Kryptonians, which meant emotionless, devoid of compassion, xenophobic, and basically a Kryptonian supremacist.

More or less, he was a lot like Eradicator post Return of Superman.

Yes, he wasn't himself, but if anything he should have been holding back much less then usual.

The problem is we know he was holding back because if he wasn't Lobo would of never stood a remote chance at victory.