Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Joker. Any more references toSpoiler:
shatterpoint?Ahh I want to read it bad but I'm out 🙁
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It wasn't specific but
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There's mention of Depa emerging from something a few months earlier (presumably her coma) which was when she chose Kanan as a padawan. And then a rumor that she was previously "Unstable."
Originally posted by red8I hope they don't retcon Shatterpoint. So far, it doesn't seem like they will.
Well Depa's already a Form 3 user instead of form 7.
They did seem to imply her history from Shatterpoint. But fact is all the Old Eu is assumed to be non-canon until confirmed again by the new canon.
Having not read the comic, hasn't Shatterpoint more or less already been retconned?
I mean, when we last saw her, she was in a coma with a multitude of super serious charges of warcrimes against humanity waiting for her upon waking up.
Considering that she outright admitted to committing said warcrimes, admitted to falling to the dark side and Mace witnessed it all, I don't see any plausible explanation for her being completely free and back to normal during Order 66.
That would in fact be completely insane. lol
^ Yeah of course. But for some reason they've seemed to have referenced her coma.
All the Old Eu stuff is non-canon. But I think what they've hinted at this comic with "we heard her condition was unstable, that was obviously false" is that The Legends stuff might be actual Legends (stories with possible bits of truths in them) floating around in the SW Universe.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well Depa's already a Form 3 user instead of form 7.They did seem to imply her history from Shatterpoint. But fact is all the Old Eu is assumed to be non-canon until confirmed again by the new canon.
I am aware of the Legends status of Shatterpoint, but Disney reserves the rights to sample elements of the Legends stories.
About the form 3 thing. This is admittingly grasping for straws, but if we assumed for a second that Shatterpoint was Disney canon, then I think it would make sense for Depa to not be a Vapaad user any longer. In fact, I'd say that form 3 is probably the best form to take up for somebody that was redeemed from the Dark Side (assuming form 3 still means Soresu in the new canon).
I'm not sure how the whole "crimes against civilization" part would be handled though. If Jedi Order was desperate enough, I'm sure they could find a way to brush it under a rug. This would help validate Anakin's beliefs that the Republic and the Jedi were losing their principles.
After thinking about it, I'd actually prefer if they did not confirm or retcon Shatterpoint. I like the idea of them keeping Depa's past vague so that it remains a "Legend".
The Jedi wouldn't have the power to sweep anything under the rug, as criminal justice is beyond their jurisdiction (they collect the bad guys and bring them to the "real" police so to speak, and then the Republic's justice system takes over from there).
Mace' argument for killing Palpatine was that the courts couldn't be trusted to convict him. While the Jedi were well aware of his crimes and supported putting him down, they had no actual power to influence any court proceedings and ensure that he got the convictions/sentencing that he deserved. Similarly, Depa's actions broke Republic law, and thus her fate would be up to the Republic's justice system, a system the Jedi by design have no say in.
It's an example of why Disney just saying **** it and retconning everything does make a certain kind of sense, imo. Their writers shouldn't have to jump through logic hoops and try to explain things like why a a mass-murdering, semi-insane dark sider is not only allowed to roam free throughout the Jedi Temple, but is also placed in a position of authority and influence over the Jedi's padawans and knights, essentially the future of the Order itself.
Originally posted by red8After thinking about it, I'd actually prefer if they did not confirm or retcon Shatterpoint. I like the idea of them keeping Depa's past vague so that it remains a "Legend".
That's what I was getting at. That "Legends" could be actual legends in the new Disney Universe. Stories telling epic tales with probably half truths to them. That seems to be the route they're taking with the semi-referencing of Shatterpoint in this comic, whilst also contradicting it. Therefore the name "Legends" given to the old Eu is quite appropriate.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That's what I was getting at. That "Legends" could be actual legends in the new Disney Universe. Stories telling epic tales with probably half truths to them. That seems to be the route they're taking with the semi-referencing of Shatterpoint in this comic, whilst also contradicting it. Therefore the name "Legends" given to the old Eu is quite appropriate.
It's dead. Who cares what they call it.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well Depa's already a Form 3 user instead of form 7.They did seem to imply her history from Shatterpoint. But fact is all the Old Eu is assumed to be non-canon until confirmed again by the new canon.
Hmm actually the ROTS novel does referenced Depa as having fallen to the DS. So there is already a pseudo canon element there. Also Depa having fallen because of Form VII would not still use it. As Mace said only he truly mastered Vaapad the other two were mastered by it. If Depa couldn't master it before she wouldn't be able to after.