Originally posted by Stoic
I saw Maestro's trophy room, and I could have sworn that I saw the Surfer's board lying around along with Thor's hammer. Maestro's no joke. Now since this is neutral ground, and not Cybertron, Hank doesn't get to send puppet bots in to save his bacon while Maestro pulls him apart piece by piece. The rings may not even save him.
But this is irrelevant. It's a different universe. No way we are saying Thor or Surfer had the same power levels as in the normal Marvel, not without them actually having some kind of feats. The fact a version of Hulk lacking in any super speed whatsoever could take down Surfer just sort of lends credence to the whole "these versions are vastly weaker then the 616 versions".
This is Marvel, not every character is the same in every universe. You might as well just mention how in another universe zombie Hulk bit off Silver Surfers head.
Originally posted by Stoic
No no no. you're playing the game the wrong way. Surtur said that Hank even has Superman's DNA, as if that alone gives him the win. I simply brought light to that type of thinking. Kal has the glow. He can do things that Ultraman will never be able to do because of this. That does not rub off on Hank simply because he has his DNA. Hank may be a less restrained half Superman with out the glow doesn't mean much to me.
One: You were replying to me, and didn't do anything to specify you were going on anything but what I said. Two: This is what Surtur said.
Originally posted by Surtur
I could of sworn Hank was not only supposed to be some cyborg thing, but that he had jacked Superman's DNA and given himself kryptonian powers on top of that. I must of heard wrong then, because if that were true Maestro(or any Hulk) would be unable to achieve even a single victory against Hank.
He brought-up Superman's DNA on top of it. And none of it changes your invalid comparison of bringing up Connor, who's half-human.
Maestro's a killer as well. Hank also doesn't get to morph into something greater on neutral ground with no tech to manipulate. Green Scar aside, Maestro was the most powerful non amplified Hulk ever. He walked the Earth soaking up ambient radiation for years on end, which made him much more powerful. This is seen when he effortlessly man handles the Merged Hulk.
He doesn't need outside tech/resources to morph weapons.
In his fight with The Last Son Of Krypton version of Eradicator, he was blowing holes through Eradicator quite easily. Also, he survives a nuke without apparent injury.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Cyborg-Superman/LastSonOfKrypton
Against the Superman Rescue Squad, he made weapons tuned for at least some. And blasted a hole through Eradicator again it seems.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Cyborg-Superman/Rescue_Squad
When he had a body made of freaking toys--
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Cyborg-Superman/SUPERMAN_RED-BLUE/Toys
--he was still able to fight an opponent as powerful as Superman Blue. He produced a weapon that was able to counter Supes' energy field, and tune his heat vision to hurt Superman. And yeah, I know Toyman's weapon is what ultimately won.
He also had apparently disrupted Parallax's energy construct, after taking an apparently intended killshot to the chest and repairing it. And yep, Cy loses, being spooked into The Source Wall.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Cyborg-Superman/Parallax
Even a seemingly casual and apparently normal(non-tuned) heat vision beam can down Top-Tier bricks like Mongul.
Also, not sure how he's doing it, but he even turned Supergirl(Matrix) back to her normal form, reversing her shape-shifting.
So, basically, he can tune his form, without outside resources, to effect all sorts of things. There's no reason he couldn't make something to effect Maestro.
I also do not agree with your attempts of nullifying hard evidence presented in front of you in the form of Maestro's Trophy Room. If it was Doom's trophy Room, we wouldn't be debating whether he killed all of the Heroes. It would be logically accepted. Like I said, Marvel even goes further just a few issues ago to show that it was a rogue version of the Hulk that split the Heroes wigs. Because of the fact that it was in a dream sequence points in that general direction, that he was the actual cause of the deaths of the heroes in his future imperfect time line.
Apparently it wasn't Maestro's accomplishments according to Ptr Grifin. And Surtur pointed-out they're not necessarily equal. I'm unsure if it was a true alternate universe or just a divergent timeline, which could save your argument, if it really was Maestro who did it all.
Is Maestro strong enough to damage Hank? Hell yes.
Due to him beating up Merged Hulk in one of their, what, two fights? I'm not thinking he'd damage Cy as easily as you argue. I already showed him taking that nuke unscathed. He also took a sucker punch by Superboy and it seemed to only piss him off he was attacked.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Cyborg-Superman/Pause
Remember when I showed you earlier him fighting Superman Blue with a body made of toys? Even with a body made from that weak of resources, he was getting melted but not immediately obliterated from being close to the Sun, from a body made of TOYS.
Even when being exposed to Kryptonite(which he states weakens him later into the fight), he still takes a combined blast from Eradicator and Superman's energy weapon.
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20VS--/Villains/Cyborg-Superman/Return/SUPERMAN_V2_82-PG18.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20VS--/Villains/Cyborg-Superman/Return/SUPERMAN_V2_82-PG19.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20VS--/Villains/Cyborg-Superman/Return/SUPERMAN_V2_82-PG20.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20VS--/Villains/Cyborg-Superman/Return/SUPERMAN_V2_82-PG21.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20VS--/Villains/Cyborg-Superman/Return/SUPERMAN_V2_82-PG22.jpg
Takes Omega Beams from a weakened Darkseid. But they were still powerful enough to make Superman's arm feel on fire despite not being the one hit.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Cyborg-Superman/Darkseid
And survives through a black hole.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Cyborg-Superman/BlackHole
And these examples aren't him with the Power Rings. He rapestomps Maestro with those.
And this puzzles me, weren't you arguing for Iron Man against Aquaman due to similar advantages Iron Man had as Cy has over Maestro? Except, Maestro doesn't have a one-shot weapon like Aquaman does
Cy has speed, mobility, and versatility advantages. Very well can tune his weapons to one-shot Maestro, and his self-repair means even if Maestro does damage him, he'll be able to recover.
