Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, so now you're xhanging your mind? Jesus wept.@king: he was wiped into thinking he was a good guy or somesuch iirc, then he regained his memories and went up against human Hercules, who tried to use Medusa's gaze on him.
Oooooh yeah, when Hercules was normal. I remember that arc. That was when they made it so he could literally absorb any kind of energy. When he fought Box during Avengers Academy he even revealed he could absorb magic.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, so now you're xhanging your mind? Jesus wept.@king: he was wiped into thinking he was a good guy or somesuch iirc, then he regained his memories and went up against human Hercules, who tried to use Medusa's gaze on him.
Not changing anything. Just letting you know gas is questionable. Shaw has absorbed everything that had been thrown at him.
"Impossible to harm him using conventional tactics".
http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media-full//absorb3.jpg.html
Isn't Extreme Xmen canon? If so, did Shaw absorb anything before this ambush?
http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media-full//sebstrength7.jpg.html
http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media-full//strength_rogue5.jpg.html
Right, I see a class has, once more, have to be in session.
Originally posted by carver9
Shaw has also absorbed radiation. Honestly can't see gas harming him. Especially if it is used against him.
I can see why, in the golden age, they had to have the characters shout their powers out. Because even now, people still have no idea what they are.
SHAW ABSORBS ENERGY. Radiation is....you guessed right, energy. He absorbs it. It does NOT mean that he can absorb gas. Or poisons. Or acid. Electrical attacks, arguably sonic attacks, heat, punches - all these weapons in Batman's arsenal will only make Shaw stronger. AND they will be the first weapons Bats will try - let's not go crazy here. I fully agree 100% on this.
So, they meet, Shaw is at his normal levels, either side of a rooftop. Batman sneaks away, and throws batarangs. Maybe even an awesome Batkick. Shaw will stand there and tank it, and laugh at Batman (thanks for that Rogue scan, btw, as it shows Shaw once again, screaming his powers out). He will mock Bats, and explain how he can absorb energy and that it will only make him stronger.
Batman will then fall back onto his other toys.
HOW is any of this that hard to grasp?
Btw, delta:
Originally posted by Delta1938
I thought that was just to bring him past human level? Which does make sense in a way.
But then, he's fighting a man dressed as a giant bat, so....
Originally posted by carver9
"Impossible to harm him using conventional tactics".http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media-full//absorb3.jpg.html
THIS is your proof that gas won't affect him? I am not even going to dignify it with a response, so poor is your 'proof'. A throwaway line? What is 'conventional tactics'? Is a boomerang shaped like a bat 'conventional'?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Btw, delta:
I meant in the sense it makes no sense from an energy point of view. He he has to expend energy to punch a wall - even if he was 100% efficient, the energy he receives back should only be the same amount of energy used to punch it. But for some reason, he has a net gain of energy from nowhere.
But then, he's fighting a man dressed as a giant bat, so....
Oh I know what you mean. But him expending energy he absorbs is just for him beyond normal human levels, right? If so, when he's at normal human levels, it would make sense that punching a wall or something will make him stronger, to a certain degree. As he'd be using no stored kinetic energy, just normal human muscle, for a few punches and absorb that. And I suppose to a certain degree you could argue, at least from comic physics, that connecting with the wall would produce more energy than he expends by colliding with a hard surface.
But the more appropriate explanation is.....comics.
Right, New 52 Batman's (non-prepped) gadgets that he carries on him, which would help enormously:
Knockout gas (takes that big guy down; if you don't know who he is, look it up. Detective Comics #3):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3540340-detectivecomics_3_thegroup_003.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3540357-detectivecomics_3_thegroup_004.jpg
Foam pellets, as said previously. He could even use it to immobilise Shaw, and prevent him from punching things:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2571043-batman_and_robin_v2_027__crypt_preist_cps_.jpg
Of course, he's Batman. He can easily throw smoke bombs down to help himself:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/detective33-batblades1.jpg~original
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/detective33-batblades2.jpg~original
Blackout bombs:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmaneternal29-blindingbombs1.jpg~original
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmaneternal29-blindingbombs2.jpg~original
Then, just as Shaw's eyes adjust to the dark (assuming he's not tearing up from the smoke:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmantwoface27-bootflashbangs.jpg~original
Then, immobilise:
King, note the reversal agent he can use:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/detective38-chemicalfoam1.jpg~original
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/detective38-chemicalfoam2.jpg~original
He won't kill Shaw, but he can wait until he is knocked out.
Of course, he can try cryogenics as well. No energy for Shaw to absorb:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/foreverevilbatmanvsbane-talonsonice2.jpg~original
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/foreverevilbatmanvsbane-talonsonice3.jpg~original
But hey, maybe he prepped for those pesky Talons, eh?
Not against Cold Soldier:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmansuperman11-ghostsoldierfreeze.jpg~original
PS:
Also, tranq darts:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmantwoface27-batranqgun.jpg~original
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmanaquaman29-batglovegun.jpg~original
And of course, he is not adverse to using acid against people who can take it:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Strategy-Tactics/Solo%20Battles/detective20-emperorpenguinvsuberbat1.jpg~original
Originally posted by carver9
What? Punch Rogue, she flies back in and charge him and he punched her again. What I got from that is he attacked, tanked, and attacked again. Where did he stand there and laugh?
"That's what makes ME special Rogue. I ABSORB kinetic energy....and transform it into POWER!!"
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right, New 52 Batman's (non-prepped) gadgets that he carries on him, which would help enormously:
I think all of that proves that Batman could probably take Shaw down - but he has no basic knowledge to start with, and I think it's far more likely that Bats tries hand to hand at some point, and Shaw breaks his neck.
Originally posted by Existere
I think all of that proves that Batman could probably take Shaw down - but he has no basic knowledge to start with, and I think it's far more likely that Bats tries hand to hand at some point, and Shaw breaks his neck.
Oh yes, no knowledge means he would try Batarangs (default long range weaponry; they start on a rooftop looking at each other). The Batarangs would bounce harmlessly off Shaw. Shaw would laugh, and explain his powers. So far, none of this sounds too wild for me to imagine.
THEN Batman would try other things.
Originally posted by KingD19
Are there scans of him shouting his powers to people not the x-men?/ x-affiliates who already know his powers yet attack him the same way every time?
Don't think so.
Another to add to the growing collection:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108449/2043999-3.jpg
And:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/absorb1.jpg
And
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/strength_donaldpierce1.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/strength_guards3.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/strength_gambit1.jpg
I think there should be a thread just dedicated to Shawsplanation...
