Originally posted by carver9
It was 3.http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22413530/New_Avengers_2013-_030-021.jpg.html
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It was just the "The same fight taking place across all realities at the same time" that lead me to believe that in each reality the Beyonders attacked a Mbody of the LT. But cool 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
Per Pym: Beyonder, as he appeared in Secret Wars, was classified as a "child unit" in comparison to the Ivory Kings:SW Beyonder was retconned into half(ish) of a cube being back in F4 #319(1988):
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http://postimg.org/image/bzi2pv2ph/Confirmed in F4 Annual #23:
http://postimg.org/image/6ol8wklez/This Beyonder was easily stomped by Kubik, who gesturely warped his entire universe into a palm-sized sphere:
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http://postimg.org/image/v5lmi6nhx/Kubik later stated that even he was infinitely weaker than a single no-name Celestial:
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http://postimg.org/image/ne4o3b19r/It was also stated that Beyonder did not defeat the Celestials in Secret Wars II #7--that was an illusion they purposefully cast in his mind:
http://postimg.org/image/rk7j7thm3/Even the latest issue of New Avengers implied that SW-era Beyonder was universal. The Ivory Kings, however, are obviously multiversal+.
So all the feats by Pre-retconned beyonder (pre-cube), were all illusions the other cosmics created?
^ No. Many of the feats Beyonder preformed during SW(such as erasing Death) are still recognized as canon.
Regardless, he was still downgraded into being decisively less powerful than a full Cube Being--that's why Kubik stomped him so easily. Heck, even this recent issue of New Avengers implied that he was just a universal power back in SW.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftI'm curious of that child statement. Does that mean he can grow up?
Go from a minute bit of energy to a full on Beyonder?
I guess we''ll find out when he is revealed to be the big cheese...
I'm kinda leaning towards that idea as well, the "growing up" angle, because he used the term "toy" in the same description.
Darn, I need to get my hands on these copies. Galan, how can you hook a brother up?
Originally posted by Mr MasterI think if Ronny Coleman is revealed to be Beyonder, it's going to have to be true. IE all Cube Beings have the potential to be real Beyonders as they are children waiting to "grow up". And the only way he could challenge them considering Ronny Coleman is their rival is if he was one of them.
That statement, ... I found it can be seen from different perspectives.I'm kinda leaning towards that idea as well, the "growing up" angle, because he used the term "toy" in the same description.
Darn, I need to get my hands on these copies. Galan, how can you hook a brother up?
If that's the case, then it stands to reason Molecule Man will somehow grow up too and then it will likely be Beyonder and Molecule Man all grown up in a war against The Beyonders. Also Doom.
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Originally posted by Galan007👆
Doom kept a scrap of Beyonder's essence in him when they merged back in SW. He(and Owen) will use that connection as a weapon against Beyonder....Christ, I hope Beyonder has nothing to do with this event. How f*cking boring. 👇
Even though all the pieces fit it wouldn't even make sense for Beyonder to be the great destroyer either. Personality wise. The guy wasn't really that sort of villain.
If it was he'd either have to see some tight shit to change him. Or everything he's "done" would have to be in retaliation to the Beyonders.
That's why I like the alt Reed theory. Because those guys have seen some messed up shit and it makes sense for them to turn to that angle. And instead of raw power (though they could conceivably get some crazy power sources) his "feats" are done with tech. Crazy ass tech.
Originally posted by Galan007👆
Especially Ultimate Reed. He's a dark mofo.
Though it'd have to be some sort of "I was guiding my past self into becoming me" sort of thing with him. Not unlike Adult Frank and Kid Frank though.
Originally posted by One_Angry_ScotThat's the other one I like that I couldn't remember.
I've been hoping your theory about the Galactus Seed is true.
Originally posted by One_Angry_ScotI hope so too. That would be the most awesome reveal possible, imo... Though I'd settle for Ult. Reed as well. Not quite as good, but it'd still be pretty epic if he were responsible.
I've been hoping your theory about the Galactus Seed is true.
Aside from them, I'm good with anyone except the Beyonder.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ No. Many of the feats Beyonder preformed during SW(such as erasing Death) are still recognized as canon.Regardless, he was still downgraded into being decisively less powerful than a full Cube Being--that's why Kubik stomped him so easily. Heck, even this recent issue of New Avengers implied that he was just a universal power back in SW.
Okay thats just waay too inconsistent, if beyonder stomped death, and beyonder was stomped by kubik, what explanations left to erase this inconsistency?
Originally posted by VastoLord1234He's talking about the theory I originally came up with MONTHS ago:
What theory about the galactus seed?
I further detailed my theory here:
Originally posted by Galan007
👆Yeah, we know that Hickman has no qualms with utilizing the Galactus Seed itself, because he had Galactus express the danger it posed to creation if allowed to hatch back in F4 #600:
Galactus: "[b]Everything
would end... Sooner." Essentially, Galactus is saying that if the Seed were to hatch, it would cause 'the early death of everything'--an in-universe Armageddon that, as you know, has been prophesied ever since Hickman's run on F4/FF years ago, and will fully come into fruition within the next few months.That, along with Black Swan's comment(s):
-"At the birth of Rabum Alal, the early death of everything began.":-"Rabum Alal... He is impatient and his appetite endless.":
...Make me think Rabum Alal could definitely be the hatched Galactus Seed. /shrug
As for how the Seed may have been detached from the World Tree: it could've happened when earth was destroyed, as you mentioned. According to Galactus himself, that's all it would take to send the Seed tumbling through space/time into places that not even he could readily access:
But who knows? I'm fine with anyone/thing being this Rabum Alal as long as it's not so simple as #BeyondersBack!! 👇 [/B]
Originally posted by Galan007
He's talking about the theory I originally came up with MONTHS ago:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14868647&highlight=galactus+seed+forumid%3A95+userid%3A98733#post14868647I further detailed my theory here:
Im behind on the incursion storyline, i got lost after sun gods universe was destroyed, where do i start reading again? any suggestions? And i mean reading the beyonders storyline and the galactus seed arc?
