3 Beyonders vs DCU

Originally posted by Golgo13
Ah, sorry. Who do you think can take them in the old continuity?

Presence and GEB are the only individuals that have the established feats to take them on. WF Mxy maybe too.

Though if we're talking about the combined powers of DCU, im sure there is more than enough to defeat 3 beyonders. For example, imagine Lucifer, Michael, Synnar, all the endless, Anti-Monitor, Mandrakk, ZHP, etc... teaming up? Surely, they can take on those 3 Beyonders. It's just that there aren't any who can take them individually.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Btw, op and I were discussing Pralaya. If we are to believe her words, she would be above the Presence himself or herself. Justice League Dark.

Yeah, though like i said, id better not comment till the story ends. Because things like that (Pralaya being above God) tend to end up being hyperbole.

Still though; she seems to be at least a multiversal abstract form the looks of things. And the multiverse was confirmed to contain infinite universes in the JLD series unlike what Morrison seems to think.

Edit: Now that i think of it though; there are two beings in N52 apart from the Presence that have comparable power. Non (from Phantom Stranger's solo) was implied to be a direct enemy of the Presence and seemed to be well above Stranger/Spectre combined. And Father of the endless featured in Sandman Overture also had lots of implied power. Supreme-level power it seemed. Though either way, they don't have feats to confirm, so it's speculation at best.

Originally posted by Galan007

I'd have to give partial credit to TheGodKiller/Epicurus for the precog-call.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Isn't what you wrote just basically saying that the Beyonders are powerful though?

Considering the only things we knew about them were them fueling CCs and having a Beyond Realm... I can't see how that post says much tbh. Especially since it's always been a common page. And I've seen lots of posts many years ago putting them beyond LT.

I don't see the prediction tbh.
I was expecting a post where you predicted they'd wipe out the Cosmics tbh. That would have been something.

I rather think I formulated a reasonable theory as to why the BeyonderS were above all. (sans toaa)

It just so happens to have become a fact now.

But imo, in Kaminski's view, (where my "theory" stems from) the BeyonderS were at the top way back then,
while the LT was at the top of everything within Eternity.

Originally posted by Galan007

I wonder if it's going to be explained how they went hogwild considering they were rather docile in acquiring Counter Earth. Maybe just everything added up and they had enough.

OK.

Where would you pit a single Beyonder in relation to LT?

Also it seems Doom is going to be a large part of anything Molecule Man does. I have it as those two saving the day. The original Beyonder beating them somehow. Or them teaming up.
One of these most likely. Though it'd have to be plot out the ass.

Ron Howard being some new OC character (and not Beyonder) and eventually beating them probably with help. Maybe he's on the side of good in The Secret Wars.

And way at the bottom with my hopes and dreams is Thanos stopping them. Though Hickman doesn't seem to like Thanos very much. This is based off the end war shown in the Thanos Annual though.

It'd be funny if Franklin and Galactus teamed up and somehow overcame them too. But I doubt he'll copy that.

Wasn't Doom and Owen doing something beforehand that could potentially take down the Beyonders?

It'd be awesome for adult Franklin to make an appearance--even if he doesn't do much. I mean, we already know for sure that he survives this whole incursion calamity, so why not use him..?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Where would you pit a single Beyonder in relation to LT?

It might've taken 1 longer or perhaps 1 would've lost after a good fight.

Thing is, in those scans, that's all that was left, the LT, since ET/IF and friends got stomped.
So .. they jumped the LT. I can't say for sure. But the one battle scene depicts the LT getting overwhelmed.
Imo,
just cause the LT lasted for a while doesn't mean he was stalemating them, he was probably getting f'd up the entire fight.

Akin to Odin vs Thanos.

We've seen what CCUs and Cube beings can do, and that's supposed to be a little bit of their energy.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Also it seems Doom is going to be a large part of anything Molecule Man does. I have it as those two saving the day. The original Beyonder beating them somehow. Or them teaming up.
One of these most likely. Though it'd have to be plot out the ass.

Ron Howard being some new OC character (and not Beyonder) and eventually beating them probably with help. Maybe he's on the side of good in The Secret Wars.

This is why I felt he should be the one.
Cause if Hickman is using SW history then he should know,
Owen became greater than the abstracts, greater than the LT who got smashed.
(Kaminski also had Owen evolve beyond CCUs, so this idea relates and works)

They defeated LT easily though. One could probably beat him.

All jokes aside those 3 beyonders don't do anything new. They plan, take out the powerhouses of the Universe out, one threat at a time, over a long period of time and take on the most powerful protector of the metaverse at the end (LT), only to be defeated by far less powerful beings, the heroes and a plot device.

It is not different fromwhat Anti-Monitor did in CotIE or what Mandrakk (and Darkseid) did during the FC. I wouldn't place a single Beyonder of those 3 above the Spectre at his best. Though 3 should beat him up like they did with LT. All 3 would fail against the comvined forces of the DCU, except if they take them out one after another, like they did in Marvel.

So it's fair to compare those 3 to AM or Mandrakk at their best, even if all those phucking Marvel zombies doesn't like it. uhuh.

But all i mentioned pale in comparison to what WF Mxy did with a phucking finger snap.

Originally posted by carver9
They defeated LT easily though. One could probably beat him.

Even if so, 3 LTs would certainly ruin one LT in a couple seconds.

Also, Molecule Man and Doom are going through a big adventure right now. Last we saw, Doom showed up Owen. 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't know what's going on but is Owen involved or being hinted as at-least? Cause that would be nice and make sense.

New Avengers #27:

New Avengers #29:

I'm guessing they'll return in New Avengers #31 with some definitive answers pertaining to Rabum Alal.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
All jokes aside those 3 beyonders don't do anything new. They plan, take out the powerhouses of the Universe out, one threat at a time, over a long period of time and take on the most powerful protector of the metaverse at the end (LT), only to be defeated by far less powerful beings, the heroes and a plot device.

It is not different fromwhat Anti-Monitor did in CotIE or what Mandrakk (and Darkseid) did during the FC. I wouldn't place a single Beyonder of those 3 above the Spectre at his best. Though 3 should beat him up like they did with LT. All 3 would fail against the comvined forces of the DCU, except if they take them out one after another, like they did in Marvel.

So it's fair to compare those 3 to AM or Mandrakk at their best, even if all those phucking Marvel zombies doesn't like it. uhuh.

But all i mentioned pale in comparison to what WF Mxy did with a phucking finger snap.

What are you talking about? They are literally killing 3 abstracts separately.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22413529/New_Avengers_2013-_030-020.jpg.html

Using their own power. Same with the Celestials. As shown here, one is handling a group of them and after this, we see one standing over mountains of Celestials.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22413523/New_Avengers_2013-_030-016.jpg.html

Originally posted by carver9
What are you talking about? They are literally killing 3 abstracts separately.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22413529/New_Avengers_2013-_030-020.jpg.html

Using their own power. Same with the Celestials. As shown here, one is handling a group of them and after this, we see one standing over mountains of Celestials.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22413523/New_Avengers_2013-_030-016.jpg.html

Originally posted by Galan007
New Avengers #26:

New Avengers #27:

New Avengers #29:

I'm guessing they'll return in New Avengers #31 with some definitive answers pertaining to Rabum Alal.

She realized the threat of the Beyonders and started trying not to lose.

To bad the Beyonders didn't do it with a snap of their fingers like Mxy. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Golgo13
To bad the Beyonders didn't do it with a snap of their fingers like Mxy. 😖hifty:

They are not that powerful obviously 👆

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
They don't fight all of them at once, Celesetials, LT, Abstracts etc.which means one threat at a time. Hope that helps you understand the scans better.

I don't think YOU understand the scans. It's one of them fighting a group of Celestials. The first scan shows them taking of 4 Abstracts.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
They are not that powerful obviously 👆

It will be incredibly hard to top that.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That first part reminded me Adult Val is still out there. And with the connection to the female Swans that Ram Attack has it could mean that Ram Attack could be Val...
Plus the Swans have some crazy tech too. Hmm.

She realized the threat of the Beyonders and started trying not to lose.

@Galan, thanx for the scans friend. Owen, the real Owen (not the Sentry losing clown) is back.

Originally posted by carver9

It's one of them fighting a group of Celestials. The first scan shows them taking of 4 Abstracts.

Originally posted by Galan007
Which is actually a decent possibility, as Val 'inherited' the Council of Reeds' chamber/dimension at the end of Hickman's run on F4--which was essentially a gateway to ALL universes:

Outside queer Beyonder anyway.