Sentry

Originally posted by Galan007
It wasn't even stated that Rogue was slowing Exitar's decent, iirc. When Sentry started helping, however, Exitar's decent was completely stopped. He definitely did more than Rogue.

...Then he flew Exitar's planet-sized shell/body/vessel(which surely weighs a LOT) into deep space, all by his lonesome. Pretty fuggin impressive, tbh.

Yeah, Stark says that Rogue had all the power and it wasn't enough and that the Celestial would soon descend into the Earth's crust in a few seconds.

He even said afterwards "Whoever Wasp has holding the other foot, they've stopped the Celestials descent!". (referring to Sentry).

I really wish I knew where he was going with Exitar. It annoys me how he hasn't returned. I remain ever vigilant.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I have to say it's actually quite cool to have some Sentry discussion on here.

I agree..

Maybe we can nail this guys lvl here.

So I wanna put this out to everyone. Is current Sentry at Thanos/Darkseid level or closer to Silver Surfer/Cls.Thor/Superman level ?

Yeah, he didn't mention where he was flying Exitar's shell to--just that it would be "far from earth."

Originally posted by Supermex
I agree..

Maybe we can nail this guys lvl here.

So I wanna put this out to everyone. Is current Sentry at Thanos/Darkseid level or closer to Silver Surfer/Cls.Thor/Superman level ?

True Darkseid is an Abstract.

I think Sentry is above Thanos but I'm worried if I offer an explanation I'm gonna get slated.

Because we had a mentally stable (non Death Seed) Sentry do this.

http://imgur.com/a/zbLAx

and this.

http://imgur.com/a/2oLjQ

So him taking on the Void like that already makes him a very strong Trans. And now to think that this Sentry has already had some crazy feats and has no Agoraphobia so isn't scared of releasing his full power really makes me wonder.

I don't know if I'd say just because she couldn't halt his descent that she definitely did less. She was afterall facing the entire force on her own. It's kind of hard to halt something when you have half the strength needed to accomplish something.

With that being said, I still think it was meant to be 50/50. Which is absolutely bananas when you think of the power Rogue contained within her. She had like every notable strongman's powers but Thor's. That's gotta be approaching sun moving at least. I would like to see someone who isn't Rem write a story about new Deathry since Rem is doing some terrible work lately. Maybe have him fight Zeus or something.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
True Darkseid is an Abstract.

I think Sentry is above Thanos but I'm worried if I offer an explanation I'm gonna get slated.

Because we had a mentally stable (non Death Seed) Sentry do this.

http://imgur.com/a/zbLAx

and this.

http://imgur.com/a/2oLjQ

So him taking on the Void like that already makes him a very strong Trans. And now to think that this Sentry has already had some crazy feats and has no Agoraphobia so isn't scared of releasing his full power really makes me wonder.

I'm going by the Darky that fights the JLA from time to time.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, he didn't mention where he was flying Exitar's shell to--just that it would be "far from earth."

Robert warned Wasp to "prepare yourselves for the Celestial's wrath will be mighty". And if he mentioned about Exitar's energy being there perhaps he's travelling all the way to there to dump it off so Exitar can't return.

I mean if you recall Sentry seems to have a connection to it. He mentions it when he talks about Exitar and the Void saying they are both there. I mean I reckon he must know where it is at least.

Originally posted by Supermex
I'm going by the Darky that fights the JLA from time to time.

I'd say he's very comfortably above that Darkseid.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I don't know if I'd say just because she couldn't halt his descent that she definitely did less. She was afterall facing the entire force on her own. It's kind of hard to halt something when you have half the strength needed to accomplish something.

With that being said, I still think it was meant to be 50/50. Which is absolutely bananas when you think of the power Rogue contained within her. She had like every notable strongman's powers but Thor's. That's gotta be approaching sun moving at least. I would like to see someone who isn't Rem write a story about new Deathry since Rem is doing some terrible work lately. Maybe have him fight Zeus or something.

For me it's more to do with the emphasis on the fact that it was referenced that Rogue's power wasn't enough.

If you remember Cap says to Tony "She's our only chance". So he was aware that Sentry may or may not work with them. That means Cap was at least hoping for her to stop Exitar on her own and that she was actually half of the equation. Which kind of implies as soon as he saw that Rogue failed that Sentry was the person they were falling back on.

If they knew Sentry was definitely there to join forces and lift an equal weight he wouldn't have said "she's our only chance". Rogue was either going to stop Exitar or not. She didn't so Sentry had to hopefully come in.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I mean if you recall Sentry seems to have a connection to it. He mentions it when he talks about Exitar and the Void saying they are both there. I mean I reckon he must know where it is at least.

That's where Void went when he left Sentry, and that's where Exitar went when he 'died'.

Originally posted by Galan007
I thought that was just in reference to the White Hot Room..?

That's where Void went when he left Sentry, and that's where Exitar went when he 'died'.

Yeah he just said that. It just seems like his connection to it seems odd. How he suddenly became aware of it in that much that he can tell that's where Exitar's energy has gone to.

Might just be an ability to sense aura's but again how he suddenly can say where it is. A place where hardly anyone in the Marvel Universe has even heard of just sounds a bit odd to me.

Originally posted by tkitna
Darkseid doesn't fly.

I like Aquaman and I realize he is written now to be able to hang for awhile against he big boys when there is a fisticuff, but within a forum battle I just feel he is out of place here. No big deal. A serious Sentry wins anyways.

But this...

Originally posted by tkitna
[B]Darkseid doesn't fly.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
For me it's more to do with the emphasis on the fact that it was referenced that Rogue's power wasn't enough.

If you remember Cap says to Tony "She's our only chance". So he was aware that Sentry may or may not work with them. That means Cap was at least hoping for her to stop Exitar on her own and that she was actually half of the equation. Which kind of implies as soon as he saw that Rogue failed that Sentry was the person they were falling back on.

If they knew Sentry was definitely there to join forces and lift an equal weight he wouldn't have said "she's our only chance". Rogue was either going to stop Exitar or not. She didn't so Sentry had to hopefully come in.

Steve even said she was only 'half' of the equation. And Sentry gave them the plan in the first place iirc.

There's no indication one push was higher than the other. There's not even indication that Rogue didn't slow Exitar. All there is is proof that she didn't stop him and he was still moving. Which shouldn't be surprising and should in no way up Sentry's involvement past hers. Especially when he flew at high speeds into Exitar when Rogue was expending her effort.

50/50

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That doesn't mean someone pulled more weight though. That just means they needed double the power.

Steve even said she was only 'half' of the equation. And Sentry gave them the plan in the first place iirc.

There's no indication one push was higher than the other. There's not even indication that Rogue didn't slow Exitar. All there is is proof that she didn't stop him and he was still moving. Which shouldn't be surprising and should in no way up Sentry's involvement past hers. Especially when he flew at high speeds into Exitar when Rogue was expending her effort.

50/50

We argued about this before and we didn't get anywhere. Best to just agree to disagree.

All I will say is Sentry couldn't have given them the plan because don't forget they all returned in their bodies at the point. Wasp, Thor and Sentry all "spawned back on the Moon except with all the previous knowledge so Robert couldn't have communicated a plan, rather have a prethought one put to him.

And Sentry didn't wasn't communicating. It must have been Kang and Cap.

Also is it okay if I PM you later?

Also jsut to say Wolverine was given the plan and Sentry had nothing to do with him. Wolverine wanted to return before Rogue died. So now actually while I think it was probably Kang and Wolverine who discussed it.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
We argued about this before and we didn't get anywhere. Best to just agree to disagree.

All I will say is Sentry couldn't have given them the plan because don't forget they all returned in their bodies at the point. Wasp, Thor and Sentry all "spawned back on the Moon except with all the previous knowledge so Robert couldn't have communicated a plan, rather have a prethought one put to him.

And Sentry didn't wasn't communicating. It must have been Kang and Cap.

Also is it okay if I PM you later?

If anything he had an easier role in the feat since he rammed the foot at high speeds when 50 percent of the strength needed was already pushing it. And 50 percent of the strength was pushing for a long period of time thinking she was the only hope when the planmaker was being crazy somewhere. Not to say he wasn't as important in the actual stopping aspect but he definitely had the easier part of the process.

I guess I just don't get how being as strong as every superhero isn't enough based on secret implications that don't even drive us towards a 60/40 split even if they were presented that way.

If you want to go the secret implication route you can easily spin it to say Sentry needed Rogue to push with all her might so he could come in and put it over the top. That he needed a lot of force expended against Exitar's momentum before he could be of any help.

But no, the easiest way is to just say each supplied half the strength necessary because the comic never said or implied any different.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
There's zero proof Sentry did more work though. None whatsoever.

If anything he had an easier role in the feat since he rammed the foot at high speeds when 50 percent of the strength needed was already pushing it. And 50 percent of the strength was pushing for a long period of time thinking she was the only hope when the planmaker was being crazy somewhere. Not to say he wasn't as important in the actual stopping aspect but he definitely had the easier part of the process.

I guess I just don't get how being as strong as every superhero isn't enough based on secret implications that don't even drive us towards a 60/40 split even if they were presented that way.

If you want to go the secret implication route you can easily spin it to say Sentry needed Rogue to push with all her might so he could come in and put it over the top. That he needed a lot of force expended against Exitar's momentum before he could be of any help.

But no, the easiest way is to just say each supplied half the strength necessary because the comic never said or implied any different.

Like I said we had this argument before so there isn't any point in repeating it. Lets agree to disagree.

Even if Sentry just matched Rogue's output, it is still a laughably...ridiculously...retardedly uber feat for him.

Originally posted by Galan007
Even if Sentry just matched Rogue's output, it is still a laughably...ridiculously...retardedly uber feat for him.

I don't get why it has to be more than that based on pretty much nothing. And by pretty much, I mean absolutely.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And that's what I'm saying.

I don't get why it has to be more than that based on pretty much nothing.

You're acting as if I don't know that. What does this imply?

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
The whole context of the Celestial feat makes it even more powerful when you look into it.

The fact that Rogue asorbed the power of every hero on Earth. Then she was amping all the power she received through Hulk's gamma rays. And it was still stated that it wasn't enough. So even if it was a complete 50/50 split between them which I tend to disbelieve. Then he would already have power to match more than every hero on Earth put together.

I even said if you believe that it's 50/50 that he has a lot of power. I just disagree that's all.