Maul slices and dices, that he was taken out by a rookie Obi Wan is irrelevant, he was being cocky and paid the price. Luke is nowhere near the skill level of even that fight as Vader was basically a walking statue that my grandmother could out manouvre so its not as if Luke really ran up against a hard challenge there by the time Jedi took place.
I was never impressed by Maul. Obi wan being a padawan is very relevant. Obi wan gave Maul quite a fight that force Maul to resort to using the force to get the better of Obi wan.
Whether Vader was conflicted or not Luke dominated Vader during that fight. In the prequels they showed a lot of fancy movements while Vader and Luke fought like knights.
I think Luke has a very good chance of beating Maul. Vader is someone very hard to overpower because of his suit and force reserves yet Luke was able to do so. I see Luke overpowering Maul.
So we're going to ignore how slow and plodding the fighting was in the original movies? And how much faster they are in the prequels? Maul would literally dance circles around Luke. Also they didn't really use the Force offensively in the originals either. Has Luke ever been force pushed in the middle of a fight? Or had a saber thrown at him?
Why would we not ignore their slow movements? Technology couldn't make them fight as they should and thus that is what we got. We now have technology to make them fight at those speeds so we get to see it. That doesn't mean Luke or Vader were slow, just that the big screen couldn't mirror their actual speed. I thought this was known by all by now.
We can't give them feats they don't have though. We go by on screen evidence. And on screen Vader and Luke were really slow and stiff in their fight. Luke wouldn't be able to keep up with him and the on screen feats prove it.
Also as I pointed out, Luke has never had the Force used on him aside from Lightning. He wouldn't even know how to resist or handle Force TK.
Originally posted by relentless1
yes Luke was attacked by force in ESB, Vader used it to throw shit at him, but its laughable that youd say that we should discount the movement dicrepancies between the two trilogies, OT was slow, PT was fast and awesome with the fights
I haven't watched the OT in years, need to go back and do that. But having things thrown at you and being directly tossed around with the Force are two different things. Luke never experienced Force TK to my knowledge, and thank you for realizing that if a really fast, really skilled guy fought a really slow, sort of skilled guy...well it's obvious who would win. Maul was Sidious' first apprentice for a reason, and Luke would never have lasted against even Padawan Kenobi in a saber fight.
King you are fighting a losing battle here... Technology prevented them from showing their actual movements. This is a common occurrence with older movies and even newer movies. if they showed fights at super speeds in all instances there would be nothing but blurry movements or wind movement sound signifying something is happening we can't see. Those would make for some bad fight scenes. The reality is, we know they speeds Jedi's and Sith's fight at because we've seen them. They didn't get slower as the Star Wars mythos progressed if anything they got faster and more powerful. It's utterly silly to even suggest Luke and Vader were actually that slow.. and that's being nice. We know the speeds they operate at technology not withstanding. It's really that simple
To say that Luke and Vader were moving slow is incorrect and quite silly. Especially when you are dealing with two different eras of technology. The versions I saw displayed Luke and Vader were moving quickly and powerfully. The only thing you didn’t have was the unnecessary fancy movements that would not really apply to a real fight.
Luke was able to manhandle Vader. There is no way he could do that without the application of the force. Maul may be more skilled as a fighter but how long would he last against the onslaught of Luke. I see the fight occurring in the same way Anakin overpowered Dooku in ROTS.
Besides the talking between Luke and Vader they were moving quite quickly. Here is the video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A
Here is the video for Maul. I do not see a major difference in speed if any:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w42nD3vfUZ0