Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tbh, this is akin to Superman vs Mr Immortal.Sure, Superman could put Immortal down. Over and over and over again. But Immortal will outlast him. Do we then say that Immortal wins?
Or Deadpool vs Karate Kid.
Tony is not as powerful as Superman, and Plastic Man is way more powerful than Mr. Immortal. 😬
Although Deadpool vs Karate Kid would be fun to watch as KK continually kicks the crap out of Deadpool.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Would it count as a win if Tony throws him in a stasis field?
Yes, as long as Plastic Man can't get out.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Tony is not as powerful as Superman, and Plastic Man is way more powerful than Mr. Immortal. 😬Although Deadpool vs Karate Kid would be fun to watch as KK continually kicks the crap out of Deadpool.
Yes, as long as Plastic Man can't get out.
The point remains, though. Surely if IM puts Plas down ONCE, and it's for a good amount of time (5 mins? I don't know, whatever), then it's a win?
I mean, if IM blasts Plas once with sonics. Plas goes all 'Flrrrbllll'. Sure, it's temporary, and we KNOW Plas has survived being turned into stone for 3000 years, shattered and living on the ocean floor, so he WILL outlast IM - but as far as I see it, when your opponent is floundering helpless on the floor, that's a win. Even if he comes back an hour later. Isn't that the same principle with BFR etc?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The point remains, though. Surely if IM puts Plas down ONCE, and it's for a good amount of time (5 mins? I don't know, whatever), then it's a win?I mean, if IM blasts Plas once with sonics. Plas goes all 'Flrrrbllll'. Sure, it's temporary, and we KNOW Plas has survived being turned into stone for 3000 years, shattered and living on the ocean floor, so he WILL outlast IM - but as far as I see it, when your opponent is floundering helpless on the floor, that's a win. Even if he comes back an hour later. Isn't that the same principle with BFR etc?
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The point remains, though. Surely if IM puts Plas down ONCE, and it's for a good amount of time (5 mins? I don't know, whatever), then it's a win?I mean, if IM blasts Plas once with sonics. Plas goes all 'Flrrrbllll'. Sure, it's temporary, and we KNOW Plas has survived being turned into stone for 3000 years, shattered and living on the ocean floor, so he WILL outlast IM - but as far as I see it, when your opponent is floundering helpless on the floor, that's a win. Even if he comes back an hour later. Isn't that the same principle with BFR etc?
I reckon it'd take Iron Man about 1 week to come up with some kind of weapon that could banish consciousness/spirits/whatever and deliver true death to Plastic Man 😛
Originally posted by DarkSaint85It's only damaging to the part of Plastic Man's body that the waves come in contact with:
Couldn't find it online, so excuse the crappy camera lighting...So, does current IM (whatever that is) have ultrasonics?
Ultrasonics are their own just cause his body to 'ripple', not spaz out.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I see two holes in this analogy. The first is a matter of scale.
Tbh, this is akin to Superman vs Mr Immortal.Sure, Superman could put Immortal down. Over and over and over again. But Immortal will outlast him. Do we then say that Immortal wins?
Or Deadpool vs Karate Kid.
Plastic Man, if at his 'Fernus' levels of competence (as per OP), is going to be gigantic, all over the place, and constantly morphing attacks and defenses.
I think Iron Man has a series of weapons at his disposal that could disable Plastic Man, however temporarily. I just don't think that they would take out all of Plastic Man, because he'll be all over the place. I also don't think that Iron Man would start with those, but that's a separate argument.
If Iron Man froze the entirety of Plastic Man, that would totally constitute a forum win. I just don't think it's likely.
Incidentally, Plastic Man has been fine while locked inside a cryogenic chamber, and he's been fine while tangling with an on-fire Fernus. He has both good and bad showings against extreme temperatures.
Second problem: Iron Man wouldn't be killing Plastic Man, as Superman could to Mr. Immortal, or constantly KO'ing Deadpool, as KK would. Plastic Man's power is a lot more comparable to Juggernaut: mostly invulnerable to physical harm, and any damage he does experience is usually repaired nearly instantly.
Anyways, it looks like my respect thread scans aren't working, so I reuploaded the Fernus fight. The OP references it, so I've been bringing it up a bunch. If nothing else, it's just a sweet read.
Originally posted by cdtmYeah, freezing is a possible path to victory for Iron Man.
Definitely one of Plastic Man's best showings.Even if Plas could take extreme cold, there's a world of difference between sub zero freezing, like Mr. Freeze's gun, and absolute zero, per Captain Cold. Firestorm was able to cage a being made of fire while inside of the sun with a cage of absolute.
I just don't think the fight would play out like that.
Oh, I've seen Plas' showings, my point about the Supes/Immortal KK/DP was that if one guy could put the other down, even temporarily, its a forum win.
With regards to sonics: a trigger (so hardly an attack; just a signal) caused him to ripple. An attack of IMs magnitude? More akin to Vera's attack.
Not to mention, whilst we mention the difference in magnitudes of cold, there are also magnitudes of heat. A White Martian's HV took him out. So whilst Fernus' flames were not affecting him, you could argue they just weren't hot enough (not enough to melt steel beams 😈).
Originally posted by DarkSaint85He's barely been in any fights with the Symbiote armor so we haven't seen much beyond repulsors so far. But it's a safe bet to make that's he's got ultrasonics considering pretty much every general purpose armor of his has liberally used ultrasonics in the past:
Couldn't find it online, so excuse the crappy camera lighting...So, does current IM (whatever that is) have ultrasonics?
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/qwirtle/IMG_20150312_081912_zps5ztef6qd.jpg
Originally posted by ODG
The Classic armor frequently used [b]ultra-sonics
. He could emit a focused "blast of high-frequency waves" or blanket an entire area with an "ultra-sonic signal," From Tales of Suspense #50, Avengers #12, 119, Iron Man Annual #7, Avengers vol.3 #36, 39 and Iron Man vol.4 #26 respectively:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Classic%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/ClassicWeapons01-SonicsTOS50.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Classic%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/ClassicWeapons02-SonicsAvengers12.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Classic%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/ClassicWeapons12-SonicsAvengers119.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Classic%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/ClassicWeapons28-UltrasonicsAnnual7.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Classic%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/ClassicWeapons33-SonicsAvengersv336.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Classic%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/ClassicWeapons34-SonicsAvengersv339.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Classic%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/ClassicWeapons36-SonicsIMv426.jpgThe Silver Centurion armor was also outfitted with the usual ultra-sonics. They could disrupt electronic guidance systems and discombobulate the inner ears of people. From Iron Man #210, 215, 219, 227 and Marvel Super-Heroes Special #15:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Classic%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/SCWeapons03b-SonicsIM210.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Classic%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/SCWeapons04-SonicsIM215.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Classic%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/SCWeapons05-SonicsIM219.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Classic%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/SCWeapons06-SonicsIM227.jpghttp://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Classic%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/SCWeapons10-SonicsMarvelSuperHeroesSpecial15.jpgNaturally, the Neo-Classic armor made liberal use of ultra-sonics. A wave of ultra-sonics disintegrates a satellite's debris into dust or could throw a squadron of Mandroids for a loop. From Iron Man #233 and 258.3:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Classic%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/NCWeapons02-SonicsIM233.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Classic%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/NCWeapons16-SonicsIM2583.jpgThe Heroes Return armor was equipped with ultra-sonics. Differing frequencies could render opponents dizzy and unable to "stand, much less fight," from Contest of Champions II #1 and Iron Man vol.3 #17:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/HRWeapons08-SonicsCOCII1.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/HRWeapons10-SonicsIMv317.jpgThe tight-beam sonics in particular could be used to trigger avalanches or penetrate thick hides and rattle bones. From Iron Man vol.3 #2 and 6:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/HRWeapons01-SonicsIMv32.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/HRWeapons04-SonicsIMv36.jpgHe could use a more tangible sonic ramshot to blow Spymaster through walls in Iron Man: Bad Blood #2:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/HRWeapons14-SonicsIMBadBlood2.jpgThe SKIN armor made liberal use of ultra-sonics. From Iron Man vol.3 #44-46:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Specialty%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/SKINWeapons02-UltraSonicsIMv344.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Specialty%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/SKINWeapons05-SonicBarrageIMv345.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Specialty%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/SKINWeapons08-SonicBarrageIMv346.jpgA clever use of ultra-sonics, he imitates a baby sperm whale's distress call to get a giant squid off of him in Iron Man vol.3 #63:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/PentagonWeapons02-SonicsIMv363.jpgOf course, he still retained the ability to shoot straight sonic blasts and wide-area ultra-sonics. From Iron Man vol.3 #74, Iron Man vol.4 #3 and Black Panther vol.2 #44:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/PentagonWeapons04-SonicsIMv374.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/PentagonWeapons06a-SonicsIMv43.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/PentagonWeapons04a-SonicsBPv244.jpgHe could overwhelm opponents with ultra-sonics that could be fired at a frequency that "puts the human brain into shutdown." From Invincible Iron Man #1 and Civil War #4:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/ExtremisWeapons08-SonicsIIM1.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/ExtremisWeapons04-SonicsCW4.jpgThe Hypervelocity armor utilized ultra-sonics as well. It could "resonate audio output, at levels up to roughly 160 decibels." From Iron Man: Hypervelocity #2:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Specialty%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/HypervelocityWeapons01-Ultra-SonicsHypervelocity2.jpgWhen used underwater, the ultra-sonics generate "an aquatic pressure wave that slams into the puppetized mecha like a concrete wall of sound." From Iron Man: Hypervelocity #4:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Specialty%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/HypervelocityWeapons02-Ultra-SonicsHypervelocity4.jpgThe Bleeding Edge armor could emit ultra-sonics that locks down depowered Juggernaut in violent fashion and takes down Cannonball instantly. From Thunderbolts #150 and X-Men Legacy #267:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEWeapons04-SonicsThunderbolts150.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEWeapons19-SonicsX-MenLegacy267.jpgThe most recent Modular Hulkbuster utilized a Hulkbuster arsenal that combined repulsors with ultrasonics "deivered with enough force to power a continent." From Original Sin: Hulk vs. Iron Man #1:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Specialty%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/HulkbusterWeapons02-UltrasonicsOSHvIM1.jpg [/b]
