Did Liberalism Ruin the Deomocratic Party.

Things are so far from Kennedy and Regan can it ever recover? I feel like Regan left the party because it became to flimsical.

You realize that Kennedy and even Republican Reagan were likely more Liberal than Obama in actions, yes?

Take a deep breath, I know it's a lot to take in right now

Wrong on all accounts. You grown weak in your old age.

We've already had this discussion and you ran away while holding your hands over your ears. But here you go, the Gipper in all his glory:

-Negotiated with terrorist
-Raised taxes seven out of eight years (despite his famous "No new taxes!"😉
-Almost tripled the deficit
-Invited and met with "Evil Empire" Gorbachev to a summit meeting
-Bailed out Social Security
-Withdrew troops (aka bailed the **** out) from Lebanon after they were attacked/killed by Hezbollah
-Ballooned the arm/reach of Government
-Gave amnesty to nearly three million illegals

Oh, he possibly raped Selene Walters while on a date. But as Walters has put it: "Date rape? No, God. I didn't have a chance to have a date with him." But this isn't a Conservative or Liberal issue, so you can ignore this one.

Clinton got blow jobs from interns.

As far as the rest, none of that is actually true

All eight points I listed are factual and can be looked up. Burying your head when you don't like something isn't a smart move.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
As far as the rest, none of that is actually true

Proof to back up your claim it's not true? And please post objective sources. And saying something like "look it up yourself" or "you don't know because you weren't in the military", will be the ultimate sign of your concession.

dp

I may have trouble finding the source, but I read a report one time on various presidential administrations and congresses, and how many of them passed bills that effectively increased the government's influence and control. It's an inexact science, since not every bill in equal in that sense. But it tried to parse it out a few difference ways to give a fair view. The conclusions were basically that there was little to no difference between parties. I.e. it's a lot of philosophical rhetoric, but the results are similar either way.

I don't actually know what liberalism is. My sense is that it's a negative buzzword assigned to democrats to incite anger or marginalize arguments. Everything is individual issues, yeah? There are arguments for and against nearly any idea or issue. I can't in good conscience apply a label to a group of issues because they each deserve scrutiny, and many aren't interrelated except that some are held by the same party as others.

Reagan worship is also weird to me. Anyone's term in office can be deified or vilified. Given the humanitarian acts of numerous presidents, and the fact that none of us actually understand economics at a level at which we can rightly assign praise or blame to presidents, picking him seems arbitrary.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Proof to back up your claim it's not true? And please post objective sources. And saying something like "look it up yourself" or "you don't know because you weren't in the military", will be the ultimate sign of your concession.

Lol who the fck are you? Oh I forgot a mommas boy living at home. Did Rob provide any sources for his claims? When you actually have a real life pay taxes and can vote, then your opinion will be valid. Till then your a internet cheerleader always playing a racial liberal card.

To either side, this is the point where you could do some research, compare findings, and maybe learn some stuff (or inform others on some things; or both!). Or you could get angry, accomplish nothing, and insult strangers.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Did Rob provide any sources for his claims? .

But I did provide proof last time for all, you ran though with your ears covered; I felt it would have been a waste of my time to do it again and it seems I was correct

Knew you would dodge. The laughably butthurt ad hominem argument only adds to the hilarity confirms your absolute ignorance of the very subject matter you are talking about.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Knew you would dodge. The laughably butthurt ad hominem argument only adds to the hilarity confirms your absolute ignorance of the very subject matter you are talking about.

And this subject that you are trying to backseat moderate. What do you know of?
Nothing. Stay in the back seat.

Originally posted by Robtard
The most obvious one is giving 2.7million illegals amnesty via the 'Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

But I did provide proof last time for all, you ran though with your ears covered; I felt it would have been a waste of my time to do it again and it seems I was correct

So you think immigration reform and giving illegals is liberal. Glad we agree. However you seem to approve of Obamas executive amnesty.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
none of that is actually true

-Negotiated with terrorist
Um...Iran-Contra?

-Raised taxes seven out of eight years (despite his famous "No new taxes!"😉 (admittedly, it was 5 out of 8)
http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/08/news/economy/reagan_years_taxes/
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2012/jun/25/gerry-connolly/rep-gerry-connolly-says-reagan-raised-taxes-during/

-Almost tripled the deficit
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/commandingheights/shared/minitext/ess_reaganomics.html
http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/teds-twisted-history/

-Invited and met with "Evil Empire" Gorbachev to a summit meeting

^according to TI, the above photo is faked since none of this is actually true

-Bailed out Social Security
http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Ronald_Reagan_Social_Security.htm

-Withdrew troops (aka bailed the **** out) from Lebanon after they were attacked/killed by Hezbollah
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/02/07/when-reagan-cut-and-run/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/26/newsid_4153000/4153013.stm

-Ballooned the arm/reach of Government
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ronald-reagan-myth-doesnt-square-with-reality/
http://mises.org/library/sad-legacy-ronald-reagan-0

Again, none of this actually happened according to TI. And this guy's a voter. That's phucking terrifying.

Please actually post objective links, TI. And don't try to dodge again with some kind of excuse or ad hominem attack. It makes you look like a coward. You've already proven ignorant. Don't make this worse. For all of our sakes.

you should have listened to Robtard:

Originally posted by Robtard
All eight points I listed are factual and can be looked up. Burying your head when you don't like something isn't a smart move.

Originally posted by Robtard

-Raised taxes seven out of eight years (despite his famous "No new taxes!"😉

Originally posted by |King Joker|

Owned him in his own thread. Damn...

Originally posted by Lestov16
Owned him in his own thread. Damn...

Anyone who has to resort to using factcheck.org, the most liberal of websites funded by the pro left movement does not own anyone.

As for you with zero life experience in anything other then posting links, get off your high horse, you proved nothing but to paint Ronald in a bad light.

We know you worship the ground Obama walks on so, as for anything else you say, its liberal bias and none sense.

I have less respect now for you then I used too. Literally your a little boy stuck at home with momma on a keyboard screaming "I KNOW WTF I AM TALKING ABOUT CAUSE I POST LINKS!!!!"

Keep dreaming about the real world bro that you never will be in.