Originally posted by The_Tempest
Hey, I openly loathe SWTOR as much as Beefy openly loathes the PT. So there again... why are poor Ares and I being singled out here?
Cause instead of contributing to an argument that is about your favorite character, you chose to bash another character that was mentioned for provocative reasons in the first place. You gotta be more constructive dude, seriously.
Re: How powerful is Sidious' lightning?
Originally posted by Sinious
We saw Sidious use it against sithspawns, jedi, weird sorcerers, clone troopers etc. but we never saw him utterly overwhelm a powerful force user with it.Especially in ROTS, one time he used it was against the strongest jedi up to that point and the other guy was Vaapad Samuel so naturally he wasn't able to stomp them.
It is harder to measure his strength in this area compared to the likes of Darth Vitiate who just uses FLS when encountered by powerful opponents. So combat wise, I'm curious to know how far Sidious could go by using his lightning. Now, it is clear that his lightning is one of the best lightnings in the mythos, possibly the best one but how powerful do you think was it exactly? Which group of force sensitives or powerful individuals could he overwhelm with his lightning only?
Sidious's attack on the prophets happened on a nexus. However, if you want to use it, it's far more impressive than anything Vitiate has done, considering it only required a one handed, very short attack for Sidious to reduce them to a pile of charred bones.
Sidious wasn't trying to overpower Windu with lightning, but instead use it in an attempt to win Skywalker over by feigning weakness under it's redirected energy, and despite that fact, Windu was struggling immensely to hold on to his saber. One blast ripped Yoda's saber right out of his hands, so I don't imagine Mace's saber defense would fare any better against a lightning attack from a serious Sidious. In contrast, Vitiate required a 20 second attack plus another charged one to overwhelm the saber defenses of Braga and HoT, both of whom are vastly inferior to Yoda.
Really, without Yoda-level force absorption, Sidious can one shot force users as powerful as Yoda.
Yes, there is a way to measure it, and it happens to be more potent than Vitiate's. lol
I'm not sure why you and your buddy try so hard to turn this into a Vitiate vs Sidious thread but whatever. 😬
Despite your disturbing mentality, I'll address to your post.
I'm aware of how impressive overwhelming Yoda is and why he wasn't able defeat Windu with his lightning. My point is that Sidious always faced extremely powerful force users like YODA and so we didn't get the pleasure of seeing him stomp force sensitives with his lightning that often. So I was wondering what kind of a strike team you think Sidious can deal with by just using lightning.
For example, had he used his lightning against the b-team, could he take all 3 of them out?
Originally posted by Sinious
I'm not sure why you and your buddy try so hard to turn this into a Vitiate vs Sidious thread but whatever. 😬Despite your disturbing mentality, I'll address to your post.
I'm aware of how impressive overwhelming Yoda is and why he wasn't able defeat Windu with his lightning. My point is that Sidious always faced extremely powerful force users like YODA and so we didn't get the pleasure of seeing him stomp force sensitives with his lightning that often. So I was wondering what kind of a strike team you think Sidious can deal with by just using lightning.
For example, had he used his lightning against the b-team, could he take all 3 of them out?
You (in your very first post in this thread): "It is harder to measure his strength in this area compared to the likes of Darth Vitiate"
1) You didn't really address anything. I mean, well you typed, but you know what I mean.
2) You said there was no way of comparing his lightning to that of Vitiate's, and you were wrong, as I just did. Not a direct comparison, but one nonetheless.
3) That depends on how well they can defend against it with their sabers. Usually hinges on strength assuming they successfully channel the directed bolts onto their sabers.
BTW, I'm disturbed because my post about Vitiate made you mad? Or is there another reason you to feel that way?
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Luke even knowing tutaminis is so ****ing ridiculous. And even looking at the scene in the movie it's quite obvious he didn't try to do jack shit. I doubt he even knew what Force lightning was.
I haven't read the ROTJ novelisation for some time but I do recall the gist of that scene. You're right, Luke didn't know what Force lightning was. It says something to the effect that he was astonished by "such a perversion of the Force" or something like that.
He then realises that "if the bolts are Force-generated then they can be Force-repelled." From what I read, it wasn't so much tutaminis, which is more about absorbing energy, as it was just blocking the bolts, rather like with a Force barrier.
Personally I liked it and wish it was in the movie. Luke being able to use such an ability purely through instinct, even briefly, would have been a great way to show how powerful and skilled he had become.
As to how powerful Palpatine's lightning is, look at Corran Horn. He was an absolute master of tutaminis but I have no doubt he would be completely overwhelmed by Palpatine's lightning.
Sidious have demonstrated immense proficiency in the use of Sith lightning application. However, Sidious' portrayal in use of this power varies in canon and EU content. Canon content does not seems to project Sith lightning as an application that can swiftly destroy opponents such as Jedi and Sith; such opponents experience great pain from this power and may perish from a prolonged exposure to it.
EU content seems to portray Sidious's lightning in a more lethal fashion. An example is Sidious' action against 3 acolytes; but this showing also have loopholes since this confrontation took place in a setting strong in the dark side and those acolytes have questionable proficiency in the matters of defending themselves from this power and others.
In another confrontation, during DE era, Sidious badly injured some Jedi with his lightning bursts.
Originally posted by ares834
Powerful enough to overpower Vitiate.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You (in your very first post in this thread): "It is harder to measure his strength in this area compared to the likes of Darth Vitiate"1) You didn't really address anything. I mean, well you typed, but you know what I mean.
2) You said there was no way of comparing his lightning to that of Vitiate's, and you were wrong, as I just did. Not a direct comparison, but one nonetheless.
3) That depends on how well they can defend against it with their sabers. Usually hinges on strength assuming they successfully channel the directed bolts onto their sabers.
BTW, I'm disturbed because my post about Vitiate made you mad? Or is there another reason you to feel that way?
Ah I honestly didn't get why you kept on referring to Vitiate and thought you were trolling.
Well, I only meant to use Vitiate as an example since he usually faced opponents that are inferior to him by a margin and so he was able to stomp his enemies with just lightning and Sidious faced more challenging opponents so he didnt get to stomp his enemies with lightning that often. So I was asking what force user team or individual do you think Sidious could take out/stomp with just lightning.
Sidious wasn't trying to overpower Windu with lightning, but instead use it in an attempt to win Skywalker over by feigning weakness under it's redirected energy, and despite that fact, Windu was struggling immensely to hold on to his saber
And no, he can't one shot just anybody. We have seen him do it from time to time, but that doesn't automatically imply he can do it at will.
Meanwhile, we've seen Vitiate do the exact same thing with his force storms and energy balls. Not very convincing that Sidious' lighting>Vitiate's.
Originally posted by Sinious
Ah I honestly didn't get why you kept on referring to Vitiate and thought you were trolling.Well, I only meant to use Vitiate as an example since he usually faced opponents that are inferior to him by a margin and so he was able to stomp his enemies with just lightning and Sidious faced more challenging opponents so he didnt get to stomp his enemies with lightning that often. So I was asking what force user team or individual do you think Sidious could take out/stomp with just lightning.
That would depend on the team, their defense, and/or how strong their chosen defense would be.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Sidious have demonstrated immense proficiency in the use of Sith lightning application. However, Sidious' portrayal in use of this power varies in canon and EU content. Canon content does not seems to project Sith lightning as an application that can swiftly destroy opponents such as Jedi and Sith; such opponents experience great pain from this power and may perish from a prolonged exposure to it.EU content seems to portray Sidious's lightning in a more lethal fashion. An example is Sidious' action against 3 acolytes; but this showing also have loopholes since this confrontation took place in a setting strong in the dark side and those acolytes have questionable proficiency in the matters of defending themselves from this power and others.
In another confrontation, during DE era, Sidious badly injured some Jedi with his lightning bursts.
That is an interesting way of looking at it but like you said EU versions of characters are deadlier and I am talking about that version of Sidious.
I'm also glad that he ashed all those troopers cause I would be really curious to see how his lightning would look like when targeting masses or crowded groups.