Dooku/Asajj vs. Anakin/Kenobi vs. Bane/Zannah

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'd say it's more of a reassessment of his placement than underestimating, really. Most of Bane's best feats occur on Force nexuses or are performed whilst wearing or in the presence of Force-aiding paraphernalia {e.g. orbalisks}. He's superb for his time and good in any time, just some of us {myself included} rank a lot of other really good people higher than him.

I don't think we should discredit Bane's feats just because they took place on nexuses. There's only so much these nexuses can amplify in terms of power. It'd be foolish to assume they boost anything more than 15/100, maximum. I know it's difficult to actually quantify exactly how powerful one is off nexus when feats are accomplished on them, but it's fair to assume that if an individual is capable of performing such powerful feats on a nexus, he'd be capable of replicating them to a slightly less degree, or at least something close to the power shown on the nexus. And that's not mere speculation, that's based on what we've seen from SW characters.

While it is true that Orbalisks give a great advantage to RoT Bane, they are essentially just extremely tough armor and adrenaline stims, if I remember correctly. Whatever Force feat he performed whilst wearing the Orbalisks, he would definitely be able to perform without them.

15/100 is supposedly roughly the difference between Vader and Sidious.

To say that's not a huge increase is ridiculous. I mean come on, look at what Ambria was able to do for Zannah, Nexuses are huge.

That's just a number to try and put up some perspective, but I think 15/100 is pushing it. It's probably more like 10/100 or a bit less. You don't think Zannah'd be able to do anything close to that feat off nexus?

We don't see a drastic power shift in characters in CW cartoon series when they're on and off nexus. There is a boost, but nothing suggests it's a huge boost.

When in the clone wars cartoon have we seen a Nexus?

Apart from Korriban, and need I remind you that Sidious created an illusion that even Yoda failed to see through, from across the galaxy? I don't think he could do that anywhere else.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
That's just a number to try and put up some perspective, but I think 15/100 is pushing it. It's probably more like 10/100 or a bit less.

You've discussed this with Neph tirelessly on the other thread. We've seen several characters in different scenarios being amped by nexuses and then we've seen them fighting in a regular planet. Based on that, you can't possibly think a nexus provides more than 10/100. That's your proof. We've never seen a character's power increase dramatically when in a nexus, only partially. Although it's impossible (so far) to calculate the exact power amp, the logic Neph utilized is definitely the most reasonable one when attempting to quantify the power a nexus adds to an individual.

10/100 is drastic; not that it works like that anyway.

On a Force Nexus, a Force User's capabilities with the Force are significantly improved. You can continue to baselessly guesstimate how much of an impact it could have on a feat, but in reality it's unquantifiable. Nexus feats cannot be taken as something a Force User is normally capable of, and there's no way to calculate that boost away into something that can be used. You shouldn't even bother with them.

Bane can as much collapse temples as Nyax can hurl capital ships.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
You've discussed this with Neph tirelessly on the other thread. We've seen several characters in different scenarios being amped by nexuses and then we've seen them fighting in a regular planet. Based on that, you can't possibly think a nexus provides more than 10/100. That's your proof.

That's no proof at all, but your guesstimate.

You are terrible at this. 👆

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Although it's impossible (so far) to calculate the exact power amp, the logic Neph utilized is definitely the most reasonable one when attempting to quantify the power a nexus adds to an individual.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
10/100 is drastic; not that it works like that anyway.

On a Force Nexus, a Force User's capabilities with the Force are significantly improved. You can continue to baselessly guesstimate how much of an impact it could have on a feat, but in reality it's unquantifiable. Nexus feats cannot be taken as something a Force User is normally capable of, and there's no way to calculate that boost away into something that can be used. You shouldn't even bother with them.

Bane can as much collapse temples as Nyax can hurl capital ships.

Originally posted by Stigma
LOL

That's no proof at all, but your guesstimate.

You are terrible at this. 👆

Exactly 👆

Thought you didn't want to make this personal?

I know it's unquantifiable, that's why I said it can't be quantified with precision. I know there is no way to prove it, but we can estimate accurately based on what we've seen.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Thought you didn't want to make this personal?

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I know it's unquantifiable, that's why I said it can't be quantified with precision. I know there is no way to prove it, but we can estimate accurately based on what we've seen.

I think that the amp is 15/100. This is my accurate estimate.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
10/100 is drastic; not that it works like that anyway.

On a Force Nexus, a Force User's capabilities with the Force are significantly improved. You can continue to baselessly guesstimate how much of an impact it could have on a feat, but in reality it's unquantifiable. Nexus feats cannot be taken as something a Force User is normally capable of, and there's no way to calculate that boost away into something that can be used. You shouldn't even bother with them.

Bane can as much collapse temples as Nyax can hurl capital ships.

So in what circumstances could a nexus feat be taken seriously? Cause completely ignoring every single feat that took place on a nexus is a bit excessive imo.

Quantifying with precision is not the same as estimating accurately.

Well, okay. My estimate is 10/100, maybe a bit less.

But I won't bother arguing this. I can't prove it concisely, so according to forum debating rules, you win.

Originally posted by Sinious
So in what circumstances could a nexus feat be taken seriously? Cause completely ignoring every single feat that took place on a nexus is a bit excessive imo.

Besides, vast majority of characters have off nexus feats to draw from. Even the likes of Bane and Vitiate have some.

Unless you mean to say that given that characters like Bane have 90% of their feats on DS nexuses, their placement in the grand scheme of things must be reconsidered, and indeed has been basing it on their off nexus feats.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Well, okay. My estimate is 10/100, maybe a bit less.

But I won't bother arguing this. I can't prove it concisely, so according to forum debating rules, you win.

Spoiler:
Neph, watch and learn.

I'd rather watch genital surgery.

Bane and Zannah

Originally posted by Raptor22
Bane and Zannah die first