Originally posted by McP
To assume, that amped-Vitiate is Plageui's near equal is "mad overhype"? Amped Vitiate is really strong, but without it, he's just above average. And HoT is nowhere near of Plagueis, amped Vitiate or Caedus' level.
You don't seem to know what you're talking about. Vitiate has non nexus feats. 👆
And how does someone just above average reach Plagueis level with amp?
Originally posted by McP
To assume, that amped-Vitiate is Plageui's near equal is "mad overhype"? Amped Vitiate is really strong, but without it, he's just above average. And HoT is nowhere near of Plagueis, amped Vitiate or Caedus' level.
Vitiate being just above average is ****ing retarded, man. 😬
It's mad overhype to think that Caedus and Plagueis can stomp this team.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Plagueis and Caedus are definite equals for Vitiate and considering how woefully outmatched Revan and HoT are in power compared to him. I can't even imagine how they would perform against two equally powerful Sith but both top tier duelists with much greater speed feats.
Their speed feats aren't that much better though. Both can compete with them. And both Revan and HoT were able to give Vitiate fights. Plagueis and Caedus are both less inclined to offensively focusing on the Force than Vitiate too, allowing the Jedi to last longer. Caedus had trouble with Jaina who is less powerful than either of these Jedi.
So with Vitiate's support, I really don't see why the team won't pull it off. Like I said, the Jedi hold them off with Vitiate attacks them. They can't defend against him and fight opponents of this caliber at the same time.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate is definitely in the top tiers for Sith and is certainly much more potent than some see him as. He's a match for Plagueis or Caedus solo, without a doubt.
Yes, agree. Vitiate after all of his rituals and dark side nexus is about equal to Plagueis and a match for Sidious himself. That Version of Vitiate would stomp HoT as well. But without amp, he's not that good.
Revan himself as a different version saying, "Our minds twisted and perverted his instructions until we thought we were acting of our own accord... partially freeing us from his control.” This however, is far from the truth. Not only did Revan and Malak fully break themselves from his control, but they triggered the Jedi Civil War in hopes to stopping the Emperor. But, who cares what I think? I concede that my personal opinion on what happened is meaningless if Revan said otherwise, but I am supported by something far greater than mere words - actions. Virtually every source in Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords, from in-universe characters to the game creators themselves, confirm Revan's actions in the Jedi Civil War was to "unify the galaxy against" a threat in the Unknown Regions - the true Sith Empire. The game describes it better than I can with the quote, "There was a pattern to Revan's attacks during the Jedi Civil War. He sought to convert Jedi, not kill them. But that is not all. In fact, he fought to keep the infrastructure intact, killed certain political leaders that would lead to destabilization - first patriarch Lelin-Dor of Serroco, the Corellian diplomat Mimas Yoon, and Yusanis of Echani." In fact, the game notes that Revan intentionally left worlds like Onderon unaffected by the Jedi Civil War. Why? "Its resources and position on the Rim make it a vital supply line and a guard post against Outer Rim attacks"
Grrrr I hate this whinny Jedi ******* of Revan who was implanted by the Jedi council in Revan mind... I hate this guy. I wish than he could die !
The true Revan always have been himself.. But ToR make this whiny Jedi live long after the KotOR II event !!!!! as shole as shole Stupid pseudo Revan... He is an as shole he destroy the star forge dude !
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To proove Revan power...
Watch all the version of this eeting to learn more she make 4 let's play on KotOR 1.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Jaina has vastly better speed feats than either of them and has the second best dueling skill in the order by FotJ.Caedus and Plagueis have far superior speed feats than either one of them do.
Plagueis stomps enemies with the Force routinely so I have no idea what you are talking about.
No, she doesn't.
Do they now?
He obliterated the assassins when his body was heavily damaged and failing him. When he dueled Venamis however he didn't use the Force other than to break a branch. Even when he realised he was outmatched in sabers he didn't attempt to bring out his force powers, he just kept dueling. Surely we should take his fight against an actual force user as more indicative of his tactics. Besides, both the HoT and Revan can defend against Vitiate's standard force abilities and their power isn't so far below what Caedus and Plagueis have shown that they'd be greatly outmatched.
Originally posted by McP
Yes, agree. Vitiate after all of his rituals and dark side nexus is about equal to Plagueis and a match for Sidious himself. That Version of Vitiate would stomp HoT as well. But without amp, he's not that good.
Vitiate doesn't need an amp to be incredibly powerful!
You can put fingers in your ears and scream 'no' if you wish but that is your perogative. Jaina Solo has speedblitzed a Vong Warlord and Sith Sabers.
Plagueis has moved so fast that he left trails of light across an immense field, he then used that same Force speed to defeat Venamis through sheer speed and Jar'kai skill. Considering Darth Tenebrous specifically trained Venamis to kill Plagueis then it's even more impressive.
The point you are missing however is that whilst they may not be stomped, they don't need to be stomped. As soon as one of them dies team 1 wins and one of them dying early is certain. Infact I'm inclined to think the HoT is even more out of their depth than Revan is. Considering it took HoT, Darth Marr, Satele Shan, and Lana Beniko to fight half of Revan and win with high difficulty.
As Cart said in another thread, nothing suggests HoT is better than Maul, who can't even see the striking speed of a Plagueis level combatant, so I'm not convinced that him and Revan can beat Plagueis, let alone Caedus.
As for Vitiate, he has the most powerful force attacks here. That said, Caedus has ridiculously good force defenses and has dealt with fire power beyond what Vitiate can dish out out, so it'd only be a matter of time before Caedus goes in on him. Vitiate can beat Plagueis with immense difficulty assuming he has enough distance and doesn't attempt to mind dominate him. One successful force push from Plagueis could spell a swift victory for Plagueis, given Plagueis' speed.