Antimonitor vs Celestials

Antimonitor (Dawn of Time)
VS
Celestials

How many Celestials does it take to beat the Antimonitor?

7659 going by my estimations.

Lol

But on a more serious note, i think he can take on the entire race. Though they fluctuate a lot. In on instance, a few Celestials create the multiverse, in another thousands of them are used like fodder.

Question, would you consider Celestials Abstracts or high tier cosmics beings?

High tier cosmic beings.

Abstracts would be Death, Oblivion, Infinity, Eternity.

Ok, I asked that because of this scene.

http://i.imgur.com/BkZHY.jpg

Seen someone use it in an argument for the Celestial being Abstract beings on comicvine.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, I asked that because of this scene.

http://i.imgur.com/BkZHY.jpg

Seen someone use it in an argument for the Celestial being Abstract beings on comicvine.

That's not really a good argument then. In a recent comic Thanos was shown a cosmic hierarchy in which Odin was equal with celestials. Obviously with Eternity and Infinity being the top 2 then Tribunal above them is obvious but it isn't all about power. Just a position in the comic hierarchy.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, I asked that because of this scene.

http://i.imgur.com/BkZHY.jpg

Seen someone use it in an argument for the Celestial being Abstract beings on comicvine.

So he must be abstract.

Right?

Originally posted by "Id"
Thor is present as well.

So he must be abstract.

Right?

True. I seen that. Heard that him and Zeus was there for other reasons. Can't remember the debate off hand but someone did use that scan as evidence a while back.

One Angry. I agree with you.

Abstracts Entites: would be Living Tribunal, Eternity, infinity, Death, Oblivion, Love, Hate, Master Order Lord Chaos, Inbetweener, Etc..

Primal Force: The Enimga Force, The Phoenix Force, Life Force etc..

Space Gods: Beyonders, Cube Beings,Galactus, Celestials, Proemial Gods, The Watchers, etc..

Hell-Demon Lords: Mephisto, Dormammu etc
Pegan Gods: Odin, Zeus etc
Mystic Entities: Vishanti etc

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
That's not really a good argument then. In a recent comic Thanos was shown a cosmic hierarchy in which Odin was equal with celestials.

Originally posted by "Id"
Abstracts Entites: would be Living Tribunal, Eternity, infinity, Death, Oblivion, Love, Hate, Master Order Lord Chaos, Inbetweener, Etc..

Primal Force: The Enimga Force, The Phoenix Force, Life Force etc..

Space Gods: Beyonders, Cube Beings,Galactus, Celestials, Proemial Gods, The Watchers, etc..

Hell-Demon Lords: Mephisto, Dormammu etc
Pegan Gods: Odin, Zeus etc
Mystic Entities: Vishanti etc

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This list helps. So it's not based entirely off power? Has more to due with status?

Originally posted by carver9
True. I seen that. Heard that him and Zeus was there for other reasons. Can't remember the debate off hand but someone did use that scan as evidence a while back.

One Angry. I agree with you.

Yes, King Thor and Zeus went to ask for the abstracts for help. Either way, The watcher and Mephisto are there and they are no abstracts. It's been long established that Celestials are no abstracts. Celestials have been also previously featured in cosmic meetings with LT, Eternity and co. that doesn't automatically put them in the abstract range.

Originally posted by "Id"
Abstracts Entites: would be Living Tribunal, Eternity, infinity, Death, Oblivion, Love, Hate, Master Order Lord Chaos, Inbetweener, Etc..

Primal Force: The Enimga Force, The Phoenix Force, Life Force etc..

Space Gods: Beyonders, Cube Beings,Galactus, Celestials, Proemial Gods, The Watchers, etc..

Hell-Demon Lords: Mephisto, Dormammu etc
Pegan Gods: Odin, Zeus etc
Mystic Entities: Vishanti etc

Inbetweener is not abstract, Beyonders should be classified as such even though they technically don't represent any essential universal concept (such as Death, time or space).

personally, i've never classified lt as an abstract either. i also wouldn't classify the beyonders as abstract beings--at least not in a traditional sense.

Originally posted by "Id"
Thor is present as well.

So he must be abstract.

Right?

Excellent logic. Confirmed.

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Originally posted by leonidas
personally, i've never classified lt as an abstract either.

...Though I suppose he would be, now that he embodies the multiverse...

yeah, maybe, sorta. i was trying to put that together in my head. it doesn't seem to quite follow because if he was the literal embodiment, and he's dead, shouldn't the remaining universes, including ult and 616, have been destroyed along with him....? we also see his physical body dead. was that just a dead m-body? if so, then he should still exist in a conceptual sense. the only reasonable conclusion i can come to is that he wasn't the literal embodiment, but rather, maybe a representative OF the multiverse....? not sure the issue CAN be squared away, at least not logically.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, maybe, sorta. i was trying to put that together in my head. it doesn't seem to quite follow because if he was the literal embodiment, and he's dead, shouldn't the remaining universes, including ult and 616, have been destroyed along with him....? we also see his physical body dead. was that just a dead m-body? if so, then he should still exist in a conceptual sense. the only reasonable conclusion i can come to is that he wasn't the literal embodiment, but rather, maybe a representative OF the multiverse....? not sure the issue CAN be squared away, at least not logically.

Although, "concepts" don't really die from what I know, they can only be k.o'd, and so in-universe/reality is not affected.
On the other hand, they can be erased. If this were the case, then its affects are connected to actual reality/in-universe.

I agree completely on your LT stance. (being a representative)

The possibility of the LT being the "embodiment" makes my head twist the wrong way.

But LT died though. Leo argument would go against this concept and would remove LT from the Abstract category as well.