Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Choushin are 22 Universes strong.
22 dimensions strong.
The main Tenchiverse, War on Geminar, Z's universe, and both universes in Duel! are all 3 dimensional universes. We haven't even really seen the higher ones.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
About 18 minutes into the episode, Dende states that Buu will "destroy all of creation!", if he continues ripping through dimensions.
Note, a DBZ universe is just four galaxies.
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The argument I was making is that Buuhan >= Chousin, which I have just proven. And Vegetto in base was equal to Buuhan, making him 50X stronger than him in SSJ1. In other words, 50X stronger than the Chousin. 👆
Nah, not even close. The Chousin have created many universes- more than Dragonball *has*, and can destroy them just by existing in them unrestrained. Not powering up or screaming like Buuhan, their higher dimensional forms on their own, will destroy a universe, while just standing there.
The ability to destroy everything in the DBZ multiverse is, literally, less than the Chousin have done.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Yeah. And Base Vegetto was stronger than Buuhan. Not to mention how high you could scale GT from there.
Being tens or thousands or hundreds of thousands times Buuhan is still less than creating a multiverse much larger than all of DBZ's multiverses. Simply put, nothing in DBZ can be big enough to take on the chousin, as they have used more power than exists in the DBZ multiverse.
Then you get into things like time-travel and control. DB character just have power. Chousin and even some lesser beings like Z can do stuff like rewind time, grab people from the future, and so on.
Originally posted by Q99
22 dimensions strong.The main Tenchiverse, War on Geminar, Z's universe, and both universes in Duel! are all 3 dimensional universes. We haven't even really seen the higher ones.
At least 22 dimensions. The hyperdimension exceeds 22-D space, the Choushin exceed the hyperdimension, and Kami Tenchi exceeds the Choushin.
Originally posted by Kosmic King
At least 22 dimensions. The hyperdimension exceeds 22-D space, the Choushin exceed the hyperdimension, and Kami Tenchi exceeds the Choushin.
Yes.
Or to put it another way- yelling that rips open a pocket dimension and potentially threatens a universe is chump change. While DB stuff is quite impressive by the standards of single-universe Tenchi stuff, Chousin are on a vastly larger scale.
Originally posted by Q99
22 dimensions strong.
There is no specific number of dimensions mentioned in the series. We do however know that every "dimension" is supervised by a dimensional supervisor. The "3rd dimension" is supervised by D-3, the "4th dimension" is supervised by D-4 and so on.
And we're only introduced to 8 of them, D-3 to D-11. In fact here is the scene from Tenchi Muyo Ryō-Ōki episode 19 with every line of dialogue included.
Originally posted by Q99
The main Tenchiverse, War on Geminar, Z's universe, and both universes in Duel! are all 3 dimensional universes.
Originally posted by Q99
Note, a DBZ universe is just four galaxies.
Originally posted by Q99
Nah, not even close. The Chousin have created many universes
Originally posted by Q99
The ability to destroy everything in the DBZ multiverse is, literally, less than the Chousin have done.
Originally posted by Q99
Chousin and even some lesser beings like Z can do stuff like rewind time, grab people from the future, and so on.
Originally posted by Astner
But there is no evidence for that they are canon to the Ryō-Ōki setting.The four quadrants of the universes were never referred to as galaxies in the manga; and in the anime kita no ginga literally translates to either north galaxy or north galaxies.
You don't know that. Dragon Ball has twelve universes, the hyper-dimensions is a collection of 8 or 11 universes (called dimensions).
No it's not. We have no idea what effort the Chōshin put into the created the hyper-dimensions or if they could destroy it. We know that they could destroy the "3rd dimension" but that's it.
When did the Chōshin or even Z rewind time?
Re: Re: Most Powerful Anime Character
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Let me remind everyone of what was stated at the start of this thread:
Yea, ironically, they're not even near the top contenders.
I mean, aside from the Tenchi stuff, the Lord of Nightmares is an infinite sea of chaos who's made a number of universes. Infinite chaos is fairly hard to beat.
Originally posted by Astner
Based on what?There is no specific number of dimensions mentioned in the series.
The number of dimensions is based on the number of "Ds" we see.
Note that it's explicit that lower dimensional beings can't comprehend higher ones.
Indicating that when talking dimensions it's talking, y'know, actual dimensions. Length, width, heights, that sort of thing.
As for actual universes, here's a screenshot for you:
Mentioning both higher levels, and that the chousin exist beyond them. And infinitely-linked universes.
They've also existing for infinite time, in their own words.
Originally posted by Astner
But there is no evidence for that they are canon to the Ryō-Ōki setting.
Yes they are. Z's dimension is *in* that series. War in Geminar stars Tenchi's brother. Word-of-director is that Zinv from Duel is the counterpart of the Idol from Tenchi GXP, where Tenchi/Ryoko/etc. show up.
The four quadrants of the universes were never referred to as galaxies in the manga; and in the anime kita no ginga literally translates to either north galaxy or north galaxies.
The anime definitely took the stance of one each. Manga, sure, may be slightly unclear, but semantic ambiguity isn't all that strong an argument when there's no indication of more than one. Not that, of course, it matters in the slightest here.
I mean, the two interpretations for Tenchi are either 22 or infinite universes, and considering that the series actually does seem to use dimensions in the spacial sense rather than the universe sense, and infinite was mentioned, the latter's actually more likely.
No it's not. We have no idea what effort the Chōshin put into the created the hyper-dimensions or if they could destroy it. We know that they could destroy the "3rd dimension" but that's it.
They created it, meaning they created all the energy within it.
When did the Chōshin or even Z rewind time?
Z reached into the future to get the Counteractor, who is Sasami/Ayeka's mother driven mad by immortality caused by the chousin's meddling.
After Z died, Tokimi recreated him and sent him to a different time where he could be happy.
Hm, come to think of it, I'm not sure who rewound time at the end of OAV 3... time got rewound and events happened different, which was, iirc, Tokimi's doing, as when she returns later in the last episode cleaning up the timeline was her given reason what she was doing.
Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Dude in Tenchi Muyo they have 22-universes.
Word of god clearly states that there are many universes created by the gods as experiments, and the Choushin themselves stated that they made infinite experiments/universes.
Originally posted by Astner
Based on what?There is no specific number of dimensions mentioned in the series. We do however know that every "dimension" is supervised by a dimensional supervisor. The "3rd dimension" is supervised by D-3, the "4th dimension" is supervised by D-4 and so on.
And we're only introduced to 8 of them, D-3 to D-11. In fact here is the scene from Tenchi Muyo Ryō-Ōki episode 19 with every line of dialogue included.
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In that very image, you can see 22 Dimensional Guardians.
Originally posted by Kosmic King
Word of god clearly states that there are many universes created by the gods as experiments, and the Choushin themselves stated that they made infinite experiments/universes.In that very image, you can see 22 Dimensional Guardians.
Originally posted by SquallX
Why do people hype DBZ so much?Dbz is a weak verse in the schemes of things. Hell, they don't even have an omnipotent being.
I can name so many singular characters that would destroy the Dbz verse it's not even funny.
I think the population that bitches about DBZ megafans is bigger than the group of hypers itself.
In fact they piss people off more I think.