Is this too harsh a sentence or am i

Started by riv66722 pages

Is this too harsh a sentence or am i

A misogynist?

Got this from another site i post at...
I've read about cases like this over the years.
Cant recall as harsh a sentence for a female. This seems more in line for a male teacher, as men are apt to get hit way harder in these situations.
SHOULD women not be charged as heavily as men for this crime? The locker room me says hell no, the responsible adult says even sentences across the board...

A former Spanish teacher at a Michigan Catholic high school received 15 years in prison after pleading guilty to sex abuse charges involving a 15-year-old student.

Kathryn Ronk, 30, admitted to having sex with a sophomore at Bishop Foley High School in Madison Heights, a northern Detroit suburb. She originally faced five counts of criminal sexual misconduct, but took a plea deal last month for lesser charges. Instead of life in prison, she got 15 years with parole eligibility in five-and-a-half years.

"I'm so sorry for the victim and his family, for the school and the community, my family... and I'm so sorry for my husband," Ronk said through sobs before her sentencing.

Police began investigating Roink in May 2014 after the victim's parents learned their son was involved with the teacher. School administration fired Ronk when they found out she was under investigation.

Cops said Ronk had sex with the boy in different classrooms at the school, between class and after hours, according to CBS Detroit. She also provided him with alcohol, and had sex with him in a car in Sterling Heights and at the victim’s Macomb Township home.

In an interview with police, the boy said Ronk once told him, "This is what we used to do in high school," according to the Detroit News.

Although Oakland Circuit Court Judge Nanci Grant appreciated Ronk's apology, she said that she'd taken offense at the letters of support that she had received from the defendant's friends and family.

"I have never seen letters of support for a defendant with nothing about the victim," Grant said, according to the Detroit News. "They were all about you and what you were going through. Poor you... You did something you shouldn't have done."

In court Grant noted that there's often a double-standard in society about sex abuse cases, but maintained that, "Fifteen is 15. He’s still a boy figuring out the ways in the world."

"If this was a male teacher who had been involved with a 15-year-old female there would be people here hanging from the ceiling trying to get every drop of blood," Grant said. "But because it is a woman, there seems to be a winking about what happened."

Ronk faces additional charges of rape and child sex abuse in Macomb Circuit Court, with a trial date set for March 31 unless another deal is made, WXYZ reports.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/18/kathryn-ronk-teacher-sex_n_6892890.html?cps=gravity_2377_-9119534111684353189

And once again I ask: where were these teachers when I was in high school?!

As far as the punishment goes: there should be no double-standards. Same offense = same response. Not that I necessarily, really think that; when it comes to sex, there really are differences between males and females, mentally, emotionally as well as physically. But then, where do we draw the line in terms of "what women can get away with", or, "That's okay"?

Basically, imho, cases like this thrust into the spotlight what is meant, or should be meant, by equality between the sexes. One size really doesn't fit all, but we like to make it so cuz that's easier to grasp and implement.

Originally posted by Mindship
And once again I ask: where were these teachers when I was in high school?!

As far as the punishment goes: there should be no double-standards. Same offense = same response. Not that I necessarily, really think that; when it comes to sex, there really are differences between males and females, mentally, emotionally as well as physically.

where a girl is mentally and emotionally varies just as much from girl to girl, there are many that are perfectly fine in being with someone older. Especially considering it's only 1 year younger than age of consent in most places. The problem isn't that men and women are different. It's that people like to think every guy and every girl has to be one way, when sex can be and often is more complicated in terms of who wants what.

First of all this woman isn't bad looking so why the hell does she need to act skanky and bang a 15 yr. old? Have some dignity lady.

As for men in these situations getting punished harder then women, yeah, that is wrong. If you want equality then you get equality, you don't get to say you want equality only when it benefits you, but otherwise you don't.

There are a lot of double standards out there. I just hate seeing people go on about the double standards men practice while at the same time acting like there aren't a lot of double standards that work against men rather then for them.

The person who created the topic..you are not a misogynist. I think that word is thrown around too quickly these days. Some see any statements critical of females as automatically misogynistic. The funny thing is I bet if you went up to a random person on the street they could tell you what a misogynist is, but I bet if you asked them what the word for the male equivalent is..most people wouldn't know. The word is misandry, if anyone was curious.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
where a girl is mentally and emotionally varies just as much from girl to girl, there are many that are perfectly fine in being with someone older. Especially considering it's only 1 year younger than age of consent in most places. The problem isn't that men and women are different. It's that people like to think every guy and every girl has to be one way, when sex can be and often is more complicated in terms of who wants what.
To be sure, cultural and individual differences are important, these influences further texturing the innate biological and psychological factors.

Thanks for the thought out responses, folks...

I posted lots of stuff. Got too complicated. I deleted it.

I just can't agree that she should serve jail time.

Do you think that a man who sleeps with a fifteen year old student should serve jail time dadudemon?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Do you think that a man who sleeps with a fifteen year old student should serve jail time dadudemon?

Nope. He should probably be fired, however.

The way we view incarceration in the US is morally wrong, imo.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nope. He should probably be fired, however.

The way we view incarceration in the US is morally wrong, imo.

All right, I figured that was what you were going to say, but don't think I've ever seen you post about it before.

I'm cool with that then, and would probably agree in most circumstances. 👆

Not sure i'd agree with no jail time, but the amount of jail time seems to vary way too much between the genders.

I don't think the sentence is too harsh, no. She'll probably get out in five years anyway once her parole comes up.

Not that I think she should be allowed out, though.

That's my first impression at least.

Not a believer in the "hot for teacher" defense, then?

Nobody should go to prison ever awesr

Haha, thats funny.

Really wish you'd respond and say you were only kidding. Starting to worry...🤨

I'm not sure she serve jail time personally. I remember a case a little while ago where it was determined that, in some cases, a minor can consent to sex with an adult. Something in California. I'll look it up if anyone wants.

It just makes me wonder. Are these kid/adult pairings, outside of coercion, always these horrible things society makes them out to be? Or do we just generally attach a stupid degree of importance to sex? Should this automatically be a criminal act for the adult involved?

Re: Is this too harsh a sentence or am i

Originally posted by riv6672
Cops said Ronk had sex with the boy in different classrooms at the school, between class and after hours, according to CBS Detroit. She also provided him with alcohol, and had sex with him in a car in Sterling Heights and at the victim’s Macomb Township home.
Jesus...

"Instead of life in prison, she got 15 years with parole eligibility in five-and-a-half years."

Seems harsh considering there's cases of rape that received the same or less, iirc. Not that I really have a problem with the sentence, just seems odd considering.

Exactly. Made me arch my non manicured eyebrow in puzzlement.