I don't have political opinions on this. All I know is that the smoking ban was singlehandedly responsible for making me love bars as opposed to hating them. No middle ground whatsoever. Vaping has since turned that into an occasional annoyance.
I'll let others quibble about the moral, legal, health, and political aspects of it. I haven't the time or energy.
Originally posted by Digi
I don't have political opinions on this. All I know is that the smoking ban was singlehandedly responsible for making me love bars as opposed to hating them. No middle ground whatsoever. Vaping has since turned that into an occasional annoyance.I'll let others quibble about the moral, legal, health, and political aspects of it. I haven't the time or energy.
I don't smoke or vape so I could care less. Its more about freedom's taken away to me. Vaping does get annoying, however seems they are going after it for big tobacco benefit, and not for the public health. Saying vapor can hurt others is like saying car's emissions can kill you. Ban all car's then and we all should wear oxygen masks lol amirite?
I tend to side on the "freedom" side of issues. But I don't always believe in slippery slope arguments, and it seems like some issues are more meaningful than others. I mean, we're talking about public places, often privately or publicly owned, with designated areas for this stuff. I'm obviously not a smoker, but I have a hard time thinking that I'd see this as a loss of freedom even if I were.
It's just so pedantic. Does a guy have a right to smoke in a public setting in front of those who hate it? Or to whom it would be a health risk? Is is their right to have clean air? Or their right to go somewhere else if they don't like it? It's all a bit maddening. A reasonable amount of basic decency would cover it, with smokers excusing themselves as they need to now, but instead it needs to be legislated bc everyone just feels so entitled to whatever it is that they want.
There's likely more to the issue, as you touched upon with the big tobacco angle. Wading in with certainty and partial knowledge is a fool's path. So who knows.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I don't smoke or vape so I could care less. Its more about freedom's taken away to me. Vaping does get annoying, however seems they are going after it for big tobacco benefit, and not for the public health. Saying vapor can hurt others is like saying car's emissions can kill you. Ban all car's then and we all should wear oxygen masks lol amirite?
Well, nothing has passed yet, AF. And at least in the US, the cigarette industry has been decimated in recent years bc of social awareness of the health risks, and the legislation that has followed. The industry continues to grow overall, but that's bc of their exploitation of countries with less institutional or legal oversight. They care less about California laws these days, and more about getting 12-year-olds in the 3rd world addicted.