Originally posted by Trocity
Vader is shaping up to be extremely badass in the new canon, and I am glad. Some EU novel/comic portrayals of him were cringeworthy.
He's clearly Powerful as hell with the Force in the new canon. Just waiting to see how he'll stack up in a Saber duel. Problem is there's no one of a high dueling caliber he could face to prove how good he is.
See, I probably would have preferred it if they went relatively low-key with the Force. Like in the movies and show. I really hope they don't get into the arms race the EU got into by trying to top the last thing with the biggerest Force thing ever. That's just a headache.
Same with the Saber stuff. I'd prefer it if it wasn't so retarded for stuff like pre vizla to going toe to toe with Maul to happen. Due to Force Users being ridiculously fast and strong and shit.
I'm just saying, this is their chance for a reset, they can unknot stuff that have become issues.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Agreed.Vader says he's much more powerful in the Force than when he was a Jedi. And this is just a few years after RotS (I think). So, that's interesting.
Which changes nothing. He heavily implies he's more powerful than in ROTS in ANH in his duel with Kenobi with his 'But now I am the master' speech.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He's clearly Powerful as hell with the Force in the new canon. Just waiting to see how he'll stack up in a Saber duel. Problem is there's no one of a high dueling caliber he could face to prove how good he is.
There could be at some point in the new canon, someone that could fight Vader in a duel. Who knows.
Originally posted by Nephthys
See, I probably would have preferred it if they went relatively low-key with the Force. Like in the movies and show. I really hope they don't get into the arms race the EU got into by trying to top the last thing with the biggerest Force thing ever. That's just a headache.Same with the Saber stuff. I'd prefer it if it wasn't so retarded for stuff like pre vizla to going toe to toe with Maul to happen. Due to Force Users being ridiculously fast and strong and shit.
I'm just saying, this is their chance for a reset, they can unknot stuff that have become issues.
Originally posted by Nephthys
See, I probably would have preferred it if they went relatively low-key with the Force. Like in the movies and show. I really hope they don't get into the arms race the EU got into by trying to top the last thing with the biggerest Force thing ever. That's just a headache.Same with the Saber stuff. I'd prefer it if it wasn't so retarded for stuff like pre vizla to going toe to toe with Maul to happen. Due to Force Users being ridiculously fast and strong and shit.
I'm just saying, this is their chance for a reset, they can unknot stuff that have become issues.
Normally I'd agree but this has VADER FLY THROUGH F***ING SPACE!
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Though I assume his potential has still been severely depleted, simply because otherwise the whole OT wouldn't make much sense narratively speaking.
See I disagree. In fact, I think Vaderhavin his potential cut actually contradict the OT what with Yoda's "luminous beings" speech and the fact that Jedi are "far more powerful" when they have no bodies at all.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Dude, you complain about DE, Luke and Nihilus/Vitiate/Hord/Old Republic feats being ridiculous way more than me. AND that it breaks suspension of disbelief for a muggle to fight or beat a Force user. I was expecting you to wholeheartedly agree.
The Force is cooler as more mystical and subtle than as FORCE SMASH ALL THE THINGS!
Originally posted by ares834
Normally I'd agree but this has VADER FLY THROUGH F***ING SPACE!
God, puke.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Same with the Saber stuff. I'd prefer it if it wasn't so retarded for stuff like pre vizla to going toe to toe with Maul to happen. Due to Force Users being ridiculously fast and strong and shit.
Even with just movie feats, that would still be retarded.
The moment we saw Luke deflect lasers with his eyes closed and casually choke people into submission with a gesture in RotJ, the notion that any non-modified person (meaning not a cyborg, etc) without access to the force could hold their own against a force user in a straight up fight became patently ridiculous.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Many years later, Obi-Wan and Darth Vader duel a second time. The Sith Lord is now more experienced and powerful." --Star Wars: Beware of the Sith
Mmmm yes, and yet Lucas disagrees. Aside from interviews the mere fact that Vader was stalemating a less powerful Kenobi suggests that he is not actually more powerful. Unless Kenobi became markedly more powerful as well, I don't think Vader as of ANH is stronger than Anakin in ROTS.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Even with just movie feats, that would still be retarded.The moment we saw Luke deflect lasers with his eyes closed and casually choke people into submission with a gesture in RotJ, the notion that any non-modified person (meaning not a cyborg, etc) without access to the force could hold their own against a force user in a straight up fight became patently ridiculous.
Eh, not to me. Precognition and TK are powerful advantages but it's still believable that someone skilled enough and with the right tools could fight them. Especially by stacking the deck in their favor and keeping them off balance. They're still only human. Adding great superhuman speed and strength into that is just stupid. They shouldn't even be capable of seeing the attacks let alone blocking them without getting their weapon blown out of their hands.
Why is the Force granting Jedi/Sith superhuman strength or speed ridiculous? It's not like the Force wasn't noted as some all powerful thing even in the 1st movie and there were degrees of superhuman speed and strength shown in the older movies too...so it's not like it was a recent thing that happened.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Why is the Force granting Jedi/Sith superhuman strength or speed ridiculous? It's not like the Force wasn't noted as some all powerful thing even in the 1st movie and there were degrees of superhuman speed and strength shown in the older movies too...so it's not like it was a recent thing that happened.
Are you not reading the conversation? I mention a very specific reason.