Count Dooku & Darth Maul vs. Darth Vader & Asajj Ventress

Originally posted by Selenial
He basically was. She stood no chance against him, he was casually dismissing her in every way as she frantically attempted to survive...

Oh she was clearly no match for him on her own (as he warned her before the fight), but it's not like she went down without a fight. Took Dooku like a good 10 seconds to beat her, and that was in a 1 v 1 scenario.

So I highly doubt he's going to defeat her with a flick while he's busy taking on Vader.

However if Maul takes on Vader and Dooku takes on Ventress, then Dooku won't take long to be done with his fight so would likely double team Vader with Maul.

In that scenario I see Team 1 winning.

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And it was more like 15-ish seconds.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Maul will start attacking Ventress in the beginning of the fight, not go to the aid of Dooku whom he despises. Dooku won't be able to even concentrate on Ventress with Vader on his ass, who's his clear superior in the Force. He isn't ragdolling Ventress without Vader beheading him.

*sigh* This is so ridiculous I don't even know where to begin, these guys are Sith Lords not high school cheerleaders they won't let an 'I don't like you' interfere with their survival. Sith are selfish and Maul knows Dooku is the only way he's leaving this fight with his head, they will work together, just like they did in Sons of Dathomir. And if you want to take personalities into this then you're wrong. When Dooku and Maul fought as a team in Son of Dathomir Maul took on the stronger team of Mace and Aayla while Dooku took on Kenobi and Tiplee. So if anything Maul will go and fight Vader because he always looks for a challenge and Dooku will pwn Ventress.

You also seem to be implying Dooku and Maul would have even a modicum of teamwork or synergy. They'd be worse than Anakin and Kenobi during S6, lol.

Kenobi and Skywalker in S6 did have synergy, Dooku is just that good. Considering they are both master duelists, and not idiots they will work in cohesion. And as I stated earlier even if they didn't based on 'personality' then Maul would likely charge for Vader and Dooku would quickly dominate Ventress then help Maul end Vader.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
[B]Oh she was clearly no match for him on her own (as he warned her before the fight), but it's not like she went down without a fight. Took Dooku like a good 10 seconds to beat her, and that was in a 1 v 1 scenario.

So I highly doubt he's going to defeat her with a flick while he's busy taking on Vader.

However if Maul takes on Vader and Dooku takes on Ventress, then Dooku won't take long to be done with his fight so would likely double team Vader with Maul.

In that scenario I see Team 1 winning.

It didn't take Dooku 10 seconds, the duel may have lasted 10 seconds total but Dooku could have ended it at anytime. Once he stopped ****ing around he disarmed her with a gesture in about a second.

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But in SoD they didn't show any actual teamwork, they just split up and took two each. That's completely different from what you're suggesting which requires he and Maul be in sync. No synergy.

Originally posted by Lord Stark

It didn't take Dooku 10 seconds, the duel may have lasted 10 seconds total but Dooku could have ended it at anytime. Once he stopped ****ing around he disarmed her with a gesture in about a second.

Dooku was screwing around? Where did you get that idea from?

Lord Stark's Dooku wank displeases me.

I'll respond when I get home, baby.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But in SoD they didn't show any actual teamwork, they just split up and took two each. That's completely different from what you're suggesting which requires he and Maul be in sync. No synergy.

In a 4 v. 2 its far more advantageous if you split them up into 2 teams and wipe out 2 people ASAP. Which...Dooku pretty much did as he butchered Tiplee in a matter of seconds and Kenobi was like to follow. And if you actually read my post you'll see that I already addressed that. If we are taking personality into account then Maul will charge for the strongest person on the field who is Vader. Maul and Dooku did have strategy in SoD as having the strongest person on one team take out the weaker duo gives them the greater advantage than Kenobi+Mace+ Backup vs. them.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Dooku was screwing around? Where did you get that idea from?

By screwing around I mean even engaging her in a saber duel in the first place.

Lord Stark's Dooku wank displeases me.

I'll respond when I get home, baby.

Okay, but I don't want to pay for it.

Ventress is outmached here. Vader is TK beast, Dooku isn't far worse, and Maul is very good at that as well. Dooku, Maul and Vader, all have strong guards in the Force. I wouldn't be suprised, if team 1 would take the Force only contest as well.
The sabers match, obviously goes for team 1. All-out would be harder, but I doubt that Vader would be able to kill Dooku before Maul would kill Ventress. More than that, i'm not really sure if Vader is acctualy better then Dooku. In the old EU he wasn't able to destroy strong Force users with his TK and he was average duelist.
He has some feats, but more like against machines, which is hard to compare with Dooku's or Maul's feats against Force users (which are clearly superior to Vader's).

Originally posted by Lord Stark
*sigh* This is so ridiculous I don't even know where to begin, these guys are Sith Lords not high school cheerleaders they won't let an 'I don't like you' interfere with their survival. Sith are selfish and Maul knows Dooku is the only way he's leaving this fight with his head, they will work together, just like they did in Sons of Dathomir..

Originally posted by Lord Stark
And if you want to take personalities into this then you're wrong. When Dooku and Maul fought as a team in Son of Dathomir Maul took on the stronger team of Mace and Aayla while Dooku took on Kenobi and Tiplee. So if anything Maul will go and fight Vader because he always looks for a challenge and Dooku will pwn Ventress.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Kenobi and Skywalker in S6 did have synergy, Dooku is just that good. Considering they are both master duelists, and not idiots they will work in cohesion.

By that logic Sidious and Yoda would make great teammates, wouldn't they? They're master duelists after all, they'll work in cohesion!

Originally posted by Lord Stark
In a 4 v. 2 its far more advantageous if you split them up into 2 teams and wipe out 2 people ASAP. Which...Dooku pretty much did as he butchered Tiplee in a matter of seconds and Kenobi was like to follow. And if you actually read my post you'll see that I already addressed that. If we are taking personality into account then Maul will charge for the strongest person on the field who is Vader. Maul and Dooku did have strategy in SoD as having the strongest person on one team take out the weaker duo gives them the greater advantage than Kenobi+Mace+ Backup vs. them.

I thought it was the Jedi who picked who they'd fight? I recall it being really ****ing dumb that they paired up like they did. And you can call it good strategy, but it still doesn't prove that they have good teamwork or coordination in a fight that involves both of them engaging in actual proximity to each other.

Some would think that Vader can dismiss Maul with the Force as easily as Dooku can Ventress.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I thought it was the Jedi who picked who they'd fight? I recall it being really ****ing dumb that they paired up like they did. And you can call it good strategy, but it still doesn't prove that they have good teamwork or coordination in a fight that involves both of them engaging in actual proximity to each other.

Nope. In one page Maul is facing off against Kenobi and Dooku against Tiplee. The next page after that is Maul charging Mace and saying 'Finally a fair fight' and Dooku against the other duo. As I said Maul always faces the strongest on the field. And yeah...it does. Them separating allowed them to as Dooku said 'kill some Jedi together'.

Some would think that Vader can dismiss Maul with the Force as easily as Dooku can Ventress.

When has Vader ever dismissed anyone with the Force sans Rahm Kota? Not saying he can't but to say he can dismiss one of Sidious' apprentices as easily as Dooku can to Ventress is a huge stretch.