Achilles (Troy) vs. Leonidas (300)

Started by RJ 2.03 pages

Originally posted by relentless1
prove it again buddy, no way is maximus beating achilles
Look up the thread, it's all there. I provided movie footage and showed that Maximus was shown fighting at a much faster speed than Leonidas and Achilles.

If you have a clip of Leonidas and/or Achilles fighting at a faster speed, by all means post it. Faster speed and a higher damage soak wins this for Maximus.

I don't ever recall you proving that at all. I'd like to see your proof again. Maximus was hit during fights on numerous occasions.. you're acting like he blitzed everybody. Plus, you're forgetting that many of the 300 fight scenes were slowed down for dramatic effect, to even think he was fighting at a meh speed is kinda silly don't ya think?

Wanna see? Youtube the Maximus vs Tigris fight.

Yes, he was hit, but he kept on truckin'.

And in said slo-mo scenes, Leonidas moved at slo-mo speeds.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Wanna see? Youtube the Maximus vs Tigris fight.

Yes, he was hit, but he kept on truckin'.

And in said slo-mo scenes, Leonidas moved at slo-mo speeds.

He was hit is the point though, you were acting like Maximus speed is far superior to that of Achilles or Leo. I wanna see that proof. Showing a fight where Maximus was hit isn't solid proof at all.

I'm not understanding your argument here... are you saying Maximus was REALLY fighting at slo-mo speed or do you concede this was done for dramatic effect and he was obviously not ACTUALLY fighting at slo-mo speeds

Achilles wins

Where is this proof of Maximus speed again?

Lol dude, seriously?

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Wanna see? Youtube the Maximus vs Tigris fight.

Yes, he was hit, but he kept on truckin'.

And in said slo-mo scenes, Leonidas moved at slo-mo speeds.

Reading is good. Watch the scene and tell me any scene where Leonidas and/or Achilles were ever shown fighting at that speed.

There are none.

Maximus rapes.

In that VERY scene he was hit... Why show a scene touting somebody speed as if they blitzed them with ease.. instead we see a long drawn out fight... What his opponent was apply to block virtually all of Maximus OMGZORZ!!! Speed blows and even land some of his own. This to you shows speed greater than Achilles or Leo... WUT???

I ask again and you dodged again.. Is it YOUR claim that Leonidas actually FIGHT at a slo-mo pace or do you concede he fights faster than that but it was done for Dramatic affect?

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Wanna see? Youtube the Maximus vs Tigris fight.

Yes, he was hit, but he kept on truckin'.

And in said slo-mo scenes, Leonidas moved at slo-mo speeds.

Achilles >> Leonidas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus

dude, you have no proof that lends to your weird and unfounded belief that Maximus is somehow better that Leo or Achilles

^^^ Agreed

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
In that VERY scene he was hit... Why show a scene touting somebody speed as if they blitzed them with ease.. instead we see a long drawn out fight... What his opponent was apply to block virtually all of Maximus OMGZORZ!!! Speed blows and even land some of his own. This to you shows speed greater than Achilles or Leo... WUT???

I ask again and you dodged again.. Is it YOUR claim that Leonidas actually FIGHT at a slo-mo pace or do you concede he fights faster than that but it was done for Dramatic affect?

I am talking about the speed in which he and Tigris were fighting, the speed in which their swords were striking. It was CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG, while Achilles and Leonidas's sword on sword fights were CLANG...CLANG....CLANGITY CLANG. So when Leo or Achilles attacks, Maximus is that much faster to dodge/counter attack.

It's simple, Maximus was shown exchanging blows faster than Leonidas and Achilles. I never, not once, said Maximus was a jedi speed blitzer.

Dramatic effect. I can't believe you actually needed an answer for that question.

Originally posted by relentless1
Achilles >> Leonidas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus

dude, you have no proof that lends to your weird and unfounded belief that Maximus is somehow better that Leo or Achilles

Tell you what, post the Tigris vs Maximus fight scene then post videos depicting fighting speed feats for Leo and Achilles. Then quote exactly where in the scenes Leo and Achilles were shown fighting at a faster rate of speed.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
I am talking about the speed in which he and Tigris were fighting, the speed in which their swords were striking. It was CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG, while Achilles and Leonidas's sword on sword fights were CLANG...CLANG....CLANGITY CLANG. So when Leo or Achilles attacks, Maximus is that much faster to dodge/counter attack.

It's simple, Maximus was shown exchanging blows faster than Leonidas and Achilles. I never, not once, said Maximus was a jedi speed blitzer.

Dramatic effect. I can't believe you actually needed an answer for that question.

I saw nothing overly impressive about that fight. I've watched it numerous times, their speed isn't impressive. To say nothing of the fact that we don't know how long Tigris was retired for... he basically came out of retirement to fight Maximus.. He likely wasn't as sharp and prime as he was when he was a full time gladiator. Just more reasons why it was not all that impressive.

SO you agree it was done for dramatic effect, YET, you say maximus is faster than Leo.. knowing full well much of Leo's scene were intentionally slowed down... How does that work?

Spartacus wins.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I saw nothing overly impressive about that fight. I've watched it numerous times, their speed isn't impressive. To say nothing of the fact that we don't know how long Tigris was retired for... he basically came out of retirement to fight Maximus.. He likely wasn't as sharp and prime as he was when he was a full time gladiator. Just more reasons why it was not all that impressive.

SO you agree it was done for dramatic effect, YET, you say maximus is faster than Leo.. knowing full well much of Leo's scene were intentionally slowed down... How does that work?

Lol, their speed is much faster than any scene of Leo and/or Achilles fighting. If you deny this, you are simply ignoring facts. Not to mention the scene where Maxiums takes on half a dozenish gladiators.

Wow......Seriously? I mean, seriously? Do you even know what "dramatic effect" means?

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Lol, their speed is much faster than any scene of Leo and/or Achilles fighting. If you deny this, you are simply ignoring facts. Not to mention the scene where Maxiums takes on half a dozenish gladiators.

Wow......Seriously? I mean, seriously? Do you even know what "dramatic effect" means?

k, so you're clearly trolling here; good job, you even had me going bro...seriously tho your viewpoint is ****ed up

O'rly? Time for some video evidence.

Achilles vs Hector:

YouTube video

And here is Maximus vs Tigris:

YouTube video

Now, who is shown fighting at a faster speed? Maximus is. It's not even close. Speed advantage goes to Maximus.

Damage soak? Achilles cried like a ***** from an arrow to the heel. Maximus? He took a dagger to the lung and fought on to victory. He barely flinched when he was stabbed. Damage soak: Maximus.

The only advantage Achilles has is strength, and that won't matter here.

So.....still think I am trolling, despite the evidence I have brought forth? My evidence>>>>>>What you think.

I feel like this fight would end up looking a lot like the Hector/Achilles fight except replace Hector with Leonidas.

Leonidas is not unskilled but I think Achilles wins while wearing down the Greek.

I'm still waiting on how RJ knows the speed at which Leonidas was fighting at when he concedes he was slowed down on purpose into slo-mo speeds.

Actually RJ according to the script, the arrows taken by Achilles would have fell any normal man.

The palace around them is burning, lighting their faces.
Blood pours from Achilles' wounds. The arrow shafts stick
out of him. Any other man would have already fallen.

- Troy script

Also Achilles was clear superhuman by script.

Achilles, three arrows in his shield, sprints across the
sands. Arrows tear through the air about him. No man
alive can run with Achilles.

Hector sees where Achilles and the Myrmidons are heading.

Hector, increasingly uneasy, watches Achilles dodge
arrows. He turns and points to the spot where Ajax's ship
has landed.

One hundred yards from Achilles, the spearhead finds its
mark: Tecton's breastplate. Tecton is knocked from his
horse and skewered to the ground. He clutches at the
wooden shaft, not comprehending his fate.

Hector reins in his horse and stares at his fallen
captain. The man is finished. Hector turns to look at
Achilles.

Eudorus's eyes are wide. No other man alive could have
thrown a spear that far or that accurately.

Achilles waits. Hector
raises his own spear. When he is fifty yards away, he
throws.

At the very last moment, Achilles bends his head to one
side, an almost lackadaisical movement. The spear rips
through the air occupied by.

Achilles tosses aside the sparring sword. He cocks his
head as if listening to some distant sound. Patroclus,
oblivious to the noise, practices his swordplay.

Achilles' foot curls around the wood shaft of one of the
spears lying on the ground. In one impossibly fast
motion, he flips the spear into the air with his foot,
catches it, and throws in the opposite direction from
where he was looking.

The bronze warhead blazes between the temple's walls and
drives into the trunk of an old fir.

Only now do we see Odysseus, leading a black horse,
standing inches from the quivering shaft of the spear
blocking his path.

Patroclus grins and relaunches his attack, sword spinning
with blazing speed. Achilles ducks beneath an arcing
swing and sword-taps Patroclus on the back.

So...dodging arrows/spears, running faster than any man could, throwing spears more accurate and farther than any man could, hearing sounds in the distance, withstanding arrows that would have killed any other man, toying with his cousin who slaughtered Trojans himself and moved blazingly fast with his sword, etc and so on.