Originally posted by FinalAnswerNone of those count.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacrehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_of_Tripura
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Covenant,_The_Sword,_and_the_Arm_of_the_Lord
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacrehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_of_Tripura
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Covenant,_The_Sword,_and_the_Arm_of_the_Lord
Appreciate you showing proof of what you claim. It's more than what most people do.
I don't have time right now to read all of the articles but I read most of the first one. It seems that those killings were committed in retaliation for one of their leaders having been assassinated even if it turned out that those they killed had nothing to do with it. Not justifying what they did but that's not the same type of things as what ISIS has done recently. ISIS carries out much worse crimes with no other justification than that their victims are non-muslim and they think that Allah has commanded it. Or at least that's what they say. Whether they actually believe that or are just using it as an excuse to kill I don't know.
I will read the other articles probably tomorrow if I have time. Gtg for now. It's Saturday night, afterall.
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacrehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_of_Tripura
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Covenant,_The_Sword,_and_the_Arm_of_the_Lord
Pop quiz!
What's the biggest Muslim country?
Answer, Indonesia.
Is it known for these type of things? Nope, it's not.
See, the reason why people call out blaming Islam as a whole as a bad thing to do, is because we have huge samples, 204 million Muslims in the same place, that indicate that it's not belief in Islam that causes these problems.
And, importantly, not only do many of the other Muslims in the world not support attacks like this, but plenty actively fight against the violent extremists.
Not all Muslims are the same, as one can easily tell by examining them, and lumping them all together is a foolish way to handle things. In no small part because it makes it harder to deal with those who actually are a problem.
Uh, key difference: the fascist, supremacist and violent ideology is intrinsically part of quran and hadith. Unhuman sharia is also part of those texts.
NONE of those groups/incidents you linked has any base whatsoever in the christian text and jesus teachings. On the contrary, christian ideology was important part of human rights development in history.
And yes, the vast, huge difference in amount of violent incidents between islam and any other faith, is because that violence is written and part of their core beliefs. Tell me what happens to gay, "adultery" women and apostates in islamic countries, each and every day?
Tell me what the prophet did to aisha and the hadith teachings on women and how do you thing it influences violence on females in islamic countries (and against "infidel" occidental women/girsl).
The contrast between jesus techings and Muhammads, is brutal.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
The same thing that happened to gays, adultery women and apostates in Christian countries for centuries.
Really? are you completetly ignoring all my points just like that with your fallacious answer?
quote for all of us please, jesus teachings about how we should deal with gays, women and apostates. I'll give you quotes from the prophet.
also, tell me the personal spiritual behavior and beliefs of the "christian" countries rulers, and link them the jesus teaching, so we can compare how "christian" they were right? I'll do the same with muslim rulers and quran/hadith.
Originally posted by SquirtleIs the bible not the official book of Christianity, or do Christians only reference the hundreds of pages that have nothing to do with Jesus when it suits them to do so (such as, say, when they wanted to justify the slave-trade)?
Really? are you completetly ignoring all my points just like that with your fallacious answer?quote for all of us please, jesus teachings about how we should deal with gays, women and apostates. I'll give you quotes from the prophet.
also, tell me the personal spiritual behavior and beliefs of the "christian" countries rulers, and link them the jesus teaching, so we can compare how "christian" they were right? I'll do the same with muslim rulers and quran/hadith.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Is the bible not the official book of Christianity, or do Christians only reference the hundreds of pages that have nothing to do with Jesus when it suits them to do so (such as, say, when they wanted to justify the slave-trade)?
Please answer my points and stop moving the goalpost, or stop answering if you are not going to have an honest debate.
Your points are fallacious. The fact is that Christians have done a plethora of horrific acts throughout human history and justified it with scriptures from their "holy book", the bible.
Trying to claim some sort of moral superiority over Islam because they've done the same thing is thus hypocritical. 👆 One could argue that the majority of [modern] Christians have more or less renounced the violent aspects of bible scripture in favor of Jesus' teachings, but then you'd have to note that 99% of Muslims live by the peaceful elements of the Quaran as well. Literally 99%- even if millions of Muslims were violent extremists, that's still less then one percent of the Muslim population.
Originally posted by TzeentchThe fact is that Christians have done a plethora of horrific acts throughout human history and justified it with scriptures from their "holy book", the bible.
Prove this, please.
List the specific horrific act these so-called "Christians" have done and give the scripture or scriptures they used to justify their action.
Even Richard Dawkins admits the Christian religion is benign compared to Islam;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Ks4pCO5O8
I'd be very interested in learning if a counter exists to his assertions:
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I would be thoroughly in favor of education in the Bible as literature.
You can't understand English Literature without the Bible.
You can't take your allusions ...
This IS a Christian country, historically it's a Christian country,
You can't understand English History or English Literature without a knowledge of the Bible.
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By the way, I should say, the act of collective worship, I don't approve of it, but nevertheless:
The Christian religion ... is benign by comparison ...
The penalty for apostasy in the Christian religion is not death.
There is no penalty for apostasy at all in the Christian religion.
The Christian religion is comparatively benign, and we should respect it as such. -- Richard Dawkins
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Well,how about this?. Actually both ideologies have many things in common.
Btw is funny how some people say "you can't claim moral superiority of X over Y" as if we were talking about impossible things to prove, like the existence of god of unicorns in another galaxy.
Ideologies are ideas, even moral ones, and yes... we can pretty much stablish that some ideas are superior to other ideas, from many points of views, and do this objectively, as rational human beings.