Originally posted by Nephthys
Proof? I've never seen him do that, only Vitiate and Nihilus have to my knowledge.
The moment Luke entered his presence he gave up his plan to kill Palpatine from the inside a'la Ulic because DE Sids was that damn strong in the Dark Side.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You're exaggerating.
No I am not.
Originally posted by Nephthys
They're exaggerating.
No they aren't, those are novel feats.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Exaggerating again. He isn't that much faster.
He near-speed blitzed Sidious, which is hilariously beyond anything in the TOR era.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Anyway, Luke got pwned by Kun after DE, it's possible Vitiate can pull something that he doesn't know the defense for. I'm inclined to back Vitiate.
Luke got attacked by a spirit Kun whom had mastered the technique over thousands of years. Vitiate has only ever attempted TP, FLS or lightsaber attacks in combat, I'd like to see an instance where he hasn't. Even then he would be too busy getting speed-blitzed.
Originally posted by AncientPower
The moment Luke entered his presence he gave up his plan to kill Palpatine from the inside a'la Ulic because DE Sids was that damn strong in the Dark Side.
That's not the same thing.
Originally posted by AncientPower
No I am not.
It was a prolonged force crush, not a gesture and it wasn't that badly damaged. It was sparking a bit from the strain and some small fragments were falling off but it was hardly complete scrap. Luke did the same thing in DE but better anyway, just use that feat.
Originally posted by AncientPower
No they aren't, those are novel feats.
I know.
Originally posted by AncientPower
He near-speed blitzed Sidious, which is hilariously beyond anything in the TOR era.
Wow that's an exaggeration and a half. Sure, Luke's so fast that he can almost speedblitz Sidious but Sidious is so powerful Luke gives up on fighting him right away. Riiiight, makes sense.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Luke got attacked by a spirit Kun whom had mastered the technique over thousands of years. Vitiate has only ever attempted TP, FLS or lightsaber attacks in combat, I'd like to see an instance where he hasn't. Even then he would be too busy getting speed-blitzed.
Kun was asleep for most of those years. He only really had a few years of true darkside mastery against Vitiate's millennia +. And Vitiate used sorcery in his HoT fight, plus TK and barriers in his Revan and HoT fights which you forgot to mention. And we know he's got incredibly vast knowledge of sorcery and esoteric powers that makes other legendary sorcerers look like children, so lets not pretend he's that limited.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I just think Vitiate is a poor match for Luke. Whereas he could go toe to toe with Sidious and Sidious is like "bring it bro", Vitiate has a crap ton of sorcery and force powers that Luke has little to no experience in combating and won't want to fight Luke on his terms.
I agree with this. Besides, Luke wouldn't stand a chance if Sidious summoned his most powerful attacks on him.
Originally posted by Nephthysi agree with this also. The only time i can remember luke facing sorcery during that time period was in the courtship of princess leia, and he was pretty defenseless against it iirc. Gethzerion almost killed him with sorcery almost effortlessly, and i know shes uber powerful and all but at one point a girl no older than 16, who luke even reffered to as young and weak disarmed him of his lightsaber almost casually while she was on the ground after being force choked.
I just think Vitiate is a poor match for Luke. Whereas he could go toe to toe with Sidious and Sidious is like "bring it bro", Vitiate has a crap ton of sorcery and force powers that Luke has little to no experience in combating and won't want to fight Luke on his terms.
"She dropped to the ground, looked up at him with rage. Luke could feel her surprise at her own impotence. With a single swatting gesture she cast a spell, knocking the lightsaber from lukes hand."
Those are the only examples i found, but i just flipped thru it real quick after work. If anyone wants the gethzerion quotes let me know and ill post them later after i pick up darth vader 4 (yippeeee)
Sidious's most powerful attack exceeds anything Vitiate has done (including Vit's prep and aid feats).
Also, Kun didn't beat Luke with his own power. He used Kyp's force reserves to empower his attack, which is why The New Essential Guide to Characters credits the feat to Kyps force energy. And Kyp, at the time, was already thought of as having greater raw power than even Luke. Not to mention it happened on a DS nexus. Regardless, that's not a technique Vitiate has ever pulled off, so it's pretty much irrelevant here.
That said, I'm not sure how Luke would defeat a ghost amped by Ziost's DS energies, unless this is Vitiate in physical form before that state, in which case Luke takes this. Luke's defenses are strong enough to handle Vitiate's most potent combat attack, and he is a much faster and greater combatant than anyone Vitiate has dealt with.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Ok, but Luke needed Leia and baby Anakin to stop Sidious' Force Storm so I don't see the relevance of that point.The book notes that Luke tries a bunch of techniques and none of them work though, doesn't it? It seems to me the issue was at least partially that he lacks knowledge.
That was in response to Sinious.
It is irrelevant here, as is Kun's attack.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh ok.Not really, I'm sure Vitiate knows a lot of similar spells or the same one even.
I'm more than sure Sidious does as well. Doesn't mean he could pull it off as effortlessly as Kun, with Kyp's power and a DS nexus, did. Unless this is Vitiate in ghost form on Ziost, but even then, we can't know that he mastered the same technique to a similar degree as Kun just because he knows a lot of spells.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Sidious's most powerful attack exceeds anything Vitiate has done (including Vit's prep and aid feats).That said, I'm not sure how Luke would defeat a ghost amped by Ziost's DS energies, unless this is Vitiate in physical form before that state, in which case Luke takes this. Luke's defenses are strong enough to handle Vitiate's most potent combat attack, and he is a much faster and greater combatant than anyone Vitiate has dealt with.
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Originally posted by Nephthys
I just think Vitiate is a poor match for Luke. Whereas he could go toe to toe with Sidious and Sidious is like "bring it bro", Vitiate has a crap ton of sorcery and force powers that Luke has little to no experience in combating and won't want to fight Luke on his terms.