Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Darth Maul

From skimming I basically agree on the responses. Just two things.

DP- Accounting for Legends, TPM Maul would still have a power edge over Obi-Wan. Levitating a "huge boulder" without even having to look or gesture, and nearly Force screaming a barracks to the ground at the age of 15, coincides nicely with the level of power we saw from him during TCW. TCW Maul is likely more powerful, but not by a huge degree IMO. While he did have a lot of time to brood in isolation and gain power by doing so, he also lost half of his potential, which would curb him to some degree as well. TPM Maul's usage of TK and the like is just more subtle or restrained.

Obi-Wan matched Anakin's force push. That's more impressive than lifting a "large boulder".

Originally posted by ares834
Obi-Wan matched Anakin's force push. That's more impressive than lifting a "large boulder".

And yeah, it would be more impressive than lifting a large boulder with effort. Maul displayed all but zero effort in doing so. And it was described as being "huge", not "large" 😉.

Then there's the barracks feat, tbh.

Sure it is. And I really don't care if Maul did it easily or not. Anakin has force feats that are many times more impressive and they were done as a padawan.

I've got no clue on the barracks feat so I can't comment on that.

Hindered Anakin doesn't, however. And even relative to Anakin it's pretty impressive, because it suggests Maul could throw the thing like a B1 battle droid or wield it like a telekinetic weapon due to how easily he was exerting control over it. If you don't care about factoring effort into how impressive telekinetic feats are, that's your issue.

Its circuitous innards exposed, the combat vibroblade rested on a low table, alongside a small tool kit. Electrodriver in hand, Maul was working feverishly on the knife’s ultrasonic vibration generator, intent on overriding the built-in arrestor to supply the blade with greater slashing power. If he wasn’t permitted to use the Force, then he would use everything short of it to satisfy the rage inside him; to gut every living thing he encountered during the coming Gora solo. Bathe in the blood he would shed, feast on warm flesh… Merely imagining it set his fingers trembling, and abruptly the tool slipped from its tenuous hold in the socket and stabbed deeply into the palm of his opposite hand, opening a small wound and bursting the dam of his pent-up emotion. Maul’s clenched right hand slammed down on the table, shattering its surface, and the vibroblade took flight, nearly impaling itself in his head. Straightening, he bared his filed teeth and tensed his body, close to loosing a scream that would have brought the barracks down around him.

--Restraint

Are we sure that's literally?

Luceno usually is. He described a similar potential feat for Sidious in Darth Plagueis. I probably wouldn't use if it was, say, Stover's writing.

So a non-feat. And bringing "the barracks down around him" could mean just that, he collapses only the barrack around him.

And yes, Anakin has feats that blow lifting a "huge (😛) boulder" out of the water.

The ease that Maul did it is damn near irrelevant considering the difference in scale.

Beyond that we know from the databank that as the CW went on Anakin "grew vastly in power". So yes, Kenobi matching Anakin's push is a huge feat and better than anything TPM Maul has done.

Originally posted by ares834
So a non-feat. And bringing "the barracks down around him" could mean just that, he collapses only the barrack around him.

And yes, Anakin has feats that blow lifting a "huge (stick out tongue) boulder" out of the water.

Beyond that we know from the databank that as the CW went on Anakin "grew vastly in power". So yes, Kenobi matching Anakin's push is a huge feat and better than anything TPM Maul has done

So are we going with EU or Disney Canon here. Considering this is the EU forum I'm assuming the former in which case the OCW is indeed canon. 👆

So Kenobi matched the force push of an Anakin who is "vastly" more powerful than the one who move that huge ass ship at a very considerable speed. 👆 👆

Obi-Wan got choked out and ragdolled by Maul in the CW though. 😆

Both. What I'm saying is, taking a quote from StarWars.com that is referring to Canon Anakin, and applying it to a Legends source, isn't possible. Canon doesn't acknowledge Legends unless stated otherwise.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Obi-Wan got choked out and ragdolled by Maul in the CW though. 😆

Originally posted by Nephthys
Obi-Wan got choked out and ragdolled by Maul in the CW though. 😆

CW Maul. Not TPM Maul.

Nor was that RotS Kenobi. He too could have improved.

Originally posted by ILS
Both. What I'm saying is, taking a quote from StarWars.com that is referring to Canon Anakin, and applying it to a Legends source, isn't possible. Canon doesn't acknowledge Legends unless stated otherwise.

Ah, did not realize that was solely from the new databank. My bad.

Regardless, Anakin had improved throughout the CW as evidenced by his duels with Dooku. And it's pretty much irrelevant to my point as well. The fact that Kenobi can match someone capable of that.

Yeah, I wouldn't use Obi Wan's force push stalemate as evidence for Kenobi's power, considering their TK feats outside that battle.

Anakin should have dominated Obi Wan as effortlessly as he did Ventress. Even Maul showed himself to be noticeably more powerful than Kenobi moreso than Anakin did during Kenobi's fight with Skywalker on Mustufar.

Originally posted by ILS

DP- Accounting for Legends, TPM Maul would still have a power edge over Obi-Wan. Levitating a "huge boulder" without even having to look or gesture, and nearly Force screaming a barracks to the ground at the age of 15, coincides nicely with the level of power we saw from him during TCW. TCW Maul is likely more powerful, but not by a huge degree IMO. While he did have a lot of time to brood in isolation and gain power by doing so, he also lost half of his potential, which would curb him to some degree as well. TPM Maul's usage of TK and the like is just more subtle or restrained.

Yep and he used Tk to smash through that door in "Shadow Hunter" to get to that Neimodian he was out to kill.

I completely agree. I don't think TCW Maul was "massively" more powerful than TPM Maul. In fact we're just told he's better but with absolutely no indication of how much better. The word "Vastly" more powerful is never used.

And I'm convinced the edge in "Saber Skills" would go to TPM Maul over TCW Maul.

I just think TCW/ROTS Kenobi vs Maul is a Split. With more wins for Obi-Wan if it's TPM Maul and more wins for Maul if it's TCW/SOD Maul.

Kenobi wins, easily. TPM Maul was very overconfident and knew from the jump that he could beat TPM Obi-Wan and Qui Gon. He would have his hands full with one of the greatest pure swordsman of his era.

Obi-Wan godstomps as always.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Obi-Wan got choked out and ragdolled by Maul in the CW though. 😆

Sure, but Anakin got 'vastly more powerful' in between CWs Season 4 and ROTS, why would Kenobi not?

Anakin being the Chosen One would've progressed a lot, far faster than anyone else would.

Saying that, I do think Kenobi would have improved from TCW to RotS, it's just by how much that is debatable.