Come on Dark. I just think you try so hard for the Hulk to lose that you don't look at the stuff you say. 4th wall Breaking? She Hulk and Deadpool has some of the most looney toon fts in comics and they would still get curbed by Hulk. I was expecting some combat showings. I wouldn't give Lobo the edge against any top tier tbh unless we are going to sit here and say his average is 4th wall breaking.
Originally posted by carver9
Come on Dark. I just think you try so hard for the Hulk to lose that you don't look at the stuff you say. 4th wall Breaking? She Hulk and Deadpool has some of the most looney toon fts in comics and they would still get curbed by Hulk. I was expecting some combat showings. I wouldn't give Lobo the edge against any top tier tbh unless we are going to sit here and say his average is 4th wall breaking.
I also have Lobo 4th wall combat showings, which are far in excess of what Deadpool has (he doesn't directly influence the comic in the same way). She-Hulk, if given her 4th wall powers, would also stomp Hulk.
Did it happen? Yes.
In a canon comic? Yes.
Do they fight to the best of their abilities? Yes.
One of Lobo's abilities is 4th wall breaking. Even if you disregard his 'high end' showings, there is a world of difference between 'ignoring high end feats' and 'ignoring abilities'. They are two different things. It's like using Aquaman - but not allowing his TP. That is VERY different from allowing his high end TP feats, agreed?
Then under forum rules, they are admissible.
@Sorrow: Sorry, I missed the forum rule which said which powers were and were not valid. I can see Thought Robot Cosmic Armour Superman threads, and Ultra threads, though. But point me to the page where we list what abilities are and are not allowed.
Weakness: Puppies.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I also have Lobo 4th wall combat showings, which are far in excess of what Deadpool has (he doesn't directly influence the comic in the same way). She-Hulk, if given her 4th wall powers, would also stomp Hulk.Did it happen? Yes.
In a canon comic? Yes.
Do they fight to the best of their abilities? Yes.One of Lobo's abilities is 4th wall breaking. Even if you disregard his 'high end' showings, there is a world of difference between 'ignoring high end feats' and 'ignoring abilities'. They are two different things. It's like using Aquaman - but not allowing his TP. That is VERY different from allowing his high end TP feats, agreed?
Then under forum rules, they are admissible.
@Sorrow: Sorry, I missed the forum rule which said which powers were and were not valid. I can see Thought Robot Cosmic Armour Superman threads, and Ultra threads, though. But point me to the page where we list what abilities are and are not allowed.
Weakness: Puppies.
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You agree then?
I think you get confused with 'high end showings' and abilities. IF he has the ability, then we take the average showings of said ability.
If Superman has super strength, we take average showings of that super strength. We don't take his 'lifting infinite pages' feats.
If Hyperion has enhanced durability, we take average showings of his durability, but we do not take his 'surviving two universes colliding' feat as his average. 100% agree with that. 200%, actually.
What we do NOT do, which is what you're doing, is say Hyperion has no enhanced durability, or Superman has no super strength. It is an ability, that whilst they do not show it 100% of the time, they have. Unless of course it has been removed, or retconned.
So for example, Lobo's blood clone ability was removed. So depending on what you mean by 'classic Lobo', he either has or he does not have it. But unless you can show me somewhere it was removed or retconned, classic Lobo has all the abilities he has shown in canon comics.
@Darksaint...
Didn't read. All I know is, Darkseid tanked a 4th wall breaking punch right here.
Superman has also tanked a punch without budging from Lobo. DC must consider the 4th wall as not that great or the hero's that has endured said attacks as having untold durability. Either is laughable at best tbh.
Originally posted by carver9
@Darksaint...Didn't read. All I know is, Darkseid tanked a 4th wall breaking punch right here.
Superman has also tanked a punch without budging from Lobo. DC must consider the 4th wall as not that great or the hero's that has endured said attacks as having untold durability. Either is laughable at best tbh.
Right, right, and Flash always runs at FTL speeds, and Hulk has gone WBH in every comic he has, right?
IOW, the fact you didn't read just shows that you're scared of stepping up, and secretly agree.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right, right, and Flash always runs at FTL speeds, and Hulk has gone WBH in every comic he has, right?IOW, the fact you didn't read just shows that you're scared of stepping up, and secretly agree.
Your posts are absurd. I dont even think you are serious tbh. Like I've said before, I wouldn't give Lobo the edge against any top tier, no matter his looney toon fts. You can continue to bring up the 4th wall if you want but that doesn't change the fact that Hulk is 'obviously' stronger.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I also have Lobo 4th wall combat showings, which are far in excess of what Deadpool has (he doesn't directly influence the comic in the same way). She-Hulk, if given her 4th wall powers, would also stomp Hulk.Did it happen? Yes.
In a canon comic? Yes.
Do they fight to the best of their abilities? Yes.One of Lobo's abilities is 4th wall breaking. Even if you disregard his 'high end' showings, there is a world of difference between 'ignoring high end feats' and 'ignoring abilities'. They are two different things. It's like using Aquaman - but not allowing his TP. That is VERY different from allowing his high end TP feats, agreed?
Then under forum rules, they are admissible.
@Sorrow: Sorry, I missed the forum rule which said which powers were and were not valid. I can see Thought Robot Cosmic Armour Superman threads, and Ultra threads, though. But point me to the page where we list what abilities are and are not allowed.
Weakness: Puppies.
Puppies aren't Hulks weakness, it happened once to a dumb Hulk who wasn't even fighting at the time. I also doubt Lobo walks around with a dozen puppies in his back pocket, neither is it common knowledge for that to work.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
No there is ignoring the ridiculous. This is a REAL battle forum there is no 4th wall to break so it's moot what Lobo, She-Hulk etc have done.Puppies aren't Hulks weakness, it happened once to a dumb Hulk who wasn't even fighting at the time. I also doubt Lobo walks around with a dozen puppies in his back pocket, neither is it common knowledge for that to work.
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Originally posted by carver9
Your posts are absurd. I dont even think you are serious tbh. Like I've said before, I wouldn't give Lobo the edge against any top tier, no matter his looney toon fts. You can continue to bring up the 4th wall if you want but that doesn't change the fact that Hulk is 'obviously' stronger.
Stronger: Hulk, for sure, dependent on the Hulk incarnation. More often than not, Hulk.
Durable: Hulk, depending on the Hulk.
HF: Lobo
Speed: Equal, slight edge if any to Hulk. But wouldn't bet against either.
Intelligence: depends, obv, on the Hulk incarnation. More often than not, Lobo.
Cunning: as above.
Fighting skill: Equal (both brawlers)
Other abilities: Lobo. And this is where things get difficult for the Hulk. I am NOT saying that the character with a more varied powerset = autowin; it depends on WHAT those abilities are.
Just because Hulk is stronger, and the strongest there is - does not mean he automatically wins a fight. Full Capacity rule still applies - and to quote the rule 'this means they will use any powers at their disposal'.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Stronger: Hulk, for sure, dependent on the Hulk incarnation. More often than not, Hulk.
Durable: Hulk, depending on the Hulk.
HF: Lobo
Speed: Equal, slight edge if any to Hulk. But wouldn't bet against either.
Intelligence: depends, obv, on the Hulk incarnation. More often than not, Lobo.
Cunning: as above.
Fighting skill: Equal (both brawlers)
Other abilities: Lobo. And this is where things get difficult for the Hulk. I am NOT saying that the character with a more varied powerset = autowin; it depends on WHAT those abilities are.Just because Hulk is stronger, and the strongest there is - does not mean he automatically wins a fight. Full Capacity rule still applies - and to quote the rule 'this means they will use any powers at their disposal'.
Would Lobo or Hulk fight in character?
Originally posted by The Sorrow
No there is ignoring the ridiculous. This is a REAL battle forum there is no 4th wall to break so it's moot what Lobo, She-Hulk etc have done.Puppies aren't Hulks weakness, it happened once to a dumb Hulk who wasn't even fighting at the time. I also doubt Lobo walks around with a dozen puppies in his back pocket, neither is it common knowledge for that to work.
Common knowledge?
See item 1. INSTANTLY analyse and find their weak spot.
Now it being used in a comic: