Originally posted by riv6672
She had fast hands with those bracelets, though!
True, but that's nothing that Superman, BA, or CM couldn't easily replicate if they needed to and they had her indestructible bracelets. Thing is, they rarely care about blocking attacks because they are a Hell of a lot more durable than she is. They can tank all kinds of stuff all day while, apparently, even bullets are a threat to WW.
@Darksaint: That means little. Feats are what matters.
Originally posted by Star428
True, but that's nothing that Superman, BA, or CM couldn't easily replicate if they needed to and they had her indestructible bracelets. Thing is, they rarely care about blocking attacks because they are a Hell of a lot more durable than she is. They can tank all kinds of stuff all day while, apparently, even bullets are a threat to WW.@Darksaint: That means little. Feats are what matters.
Agreed. When WW fights one of the top tier bricks (Billy/Teth/Superman) she loses some, wins some, but it isn't as if she is outclassed in speed, like say, how Wally hitting top speed outclasses the others. She's not faster, but the gap is pretty close.
Originally posted by riv6672
Feats matter of course, but so do stats. Obvious, old debate there.
If a character has a power, he or she has it.
Of course. Pre-flashpoint WW had power but she didn't have Superman-level power. Both BA and CM do. Or at least they did pre-flashpoint. Where are you getting these "stats" from to make you think she was on their level? A DC handbook or encyclopedia? I didn't think that those were allowed in these discussions. Nevertheless, I would like to see these stats from them if that is where you're getting them from.
she raced hermes to a draw iirc, or she may have actually won. she also battled marvel to a standstill as well in a brief encounter. she HAS beaten hercules in a direct battle. all of these things indicate she is very close to marvel/adam's overall level. with her weapons, i don't see how anyone can logically look at this as anything but very very close. the ONLY time a difference can be seen is when their battles against superman are directly compared--and fights against superman are notoriously difficult to gauge for a number of reasons.
Originally posted by leonidas
i agree she isn't faster--damn close though? i'd def say that. you wouldn't?
Originally posted by carver9
Yes she is. Comparison of avoided attacks proves this.
Originally posted by leonidas
she raced hermes to a draw iirc, or she may have actually won. she also battled marvel to a standstill as well in a brief encounter. she HAS beaten hercules in a direct battle. all of these things indicate she is very close to marvel/adam's overall level. with her weapons, i don't see how anyone can logically look at this as anything but very very close. the ONLY time a difference can be seen is when their battles against superman are directly compared--and fights against superman are notoriously difficult to gauge for a number of reasons.
And she has never proved to be equal of Hercules either until post infinite crisis when Trials of Shazam retconned Marvels' power source. In fact Herc looked stronger than her when they fought in WW 14 and against Doomsday clone in WW 111.
Also Cap was weaker than usual in WOG due to his spell weakening by Roman gods controlling him. He still looked stronger than her and Diana commented that he might kill her.
In underworld unleashed, he flat out owned her with a broken arm.
In virtue and vice, he koed her with a lightning bolt. He was more powerful than normal though.
Also look at his fights with Superman. Diana would get killed if she tried to go punch to punch with Superman for a whole comic like when Cap did against Eclipsed Superman.
Originally posted by leonidas
she is as strong as he is, (or the difference is completely negligible) he has a small speed advantage (maybe), he's vicious, she's a trained warrior, has the lasso and her tiara if needed. seems like a pretty dead heat to me.... he may have the durability edge so i may go with him 5.5/10, but these would be brutal battles every time.
Being a trained warrior isn't much of a feat though. What fighting skill feats does she have?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. Adam has casually blitzed her equal Power Girl.
By that token Spidey is faster than him too. She has some cool blocking feats, but that's not the sole criteria of being fast. As it is, she is only equal to a second rate kryptonian who gets blitzed by Adam quite regularly.
I think you misunderstood my post. They have been attacked in similar ways and Diana has handled said attack via speed far better than Adam. The comparison can't get any better than this.
Originally posted by carver9
I think you misunderstood my post. They have been attacked in similar ways and Diana has handled said attack via speed far better than Adam. The comparison can't get any better than this.
And Adam doesn't has to block attacks. He can just tank whatever is thrown at him, that's why he doesn't goes around arms waving around.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm curious to see what those attacks are.And Adam doesn't has to block attacks. He can just tank whatever is thrown at him, that's why he doesn't goes around arms waving around.
We know how much you dislike this and it isn't the only time it happened either. Here is one...
Also, lol, Adam is a power house but heat vision seems to bypass his durability. He needs all the blocking he can get when it comes to that attack. This is an example...
MM melted half of his face off. Then there's the showing with Powergirl, Superman heat vision, etc, etc...
Wonder Woman is faster and again, how both handles similar attacks proves this.
Originally posted by carver9
We know how much you dislike this and it isn't the only time it happened either. Here is one...Also, lol, Adam is a power house but heat vision seems to bypass his durability. He needs all the blocking he can get when it comes to that attack. This is an example...
MM melted half of his face off. Then there's the showing with Powergirl, Superman heat vision, etc, etc...
Wonder Woman is faster and again, how both handles similar attacks proves this.
A white Martian has oneshotted Wonder Woman with Martian vision. Malefic almost koed her with one blast even after she blocked it. The last thing you want to bring is using Martian vision here.
You just posted some totally meaningless scans. Want to see some real comparisons?